Beamer pilot wrote:Nizina, I really like that set up. Probably going to copy it.

Glad you like it. It really works well for me and I think you will like it too. You can also drive it under a hoist, lift the tank off of the cart and let it down onto a pickup bed if you need to take it out on the open road.

Nizina wrote:Here is the tank that I built. It is a 135 gal steel tank with 12 volt pump. I also installed a static reel 12V battery, and a fire extinguisher. It is mounted on a trailer that I pull with my ATVs. It works great out here in the nowhere of the Wrangell mountains.

Do not want to pick at you Nizina, but any fuel tank over 119 gal down here needs placarded. I understand nobody may ever question it, but there are those out there who would. It is a nice setup.
HC

Nizina,

Does that set up tow over snow pretty well too? Trying to figure out how/if I could make a similar set up to out with the snow machine. Looks like those high float ATV tires would do okay.

Mike-

Mike
It would only float over very compacted snow but pulls well through shallow fresh snow of less than 12". You could make the cart with a single axle and this would allow you to drive it onto skis that could then be towed with a snowmobile. You would not need to take your wheels off. Alternatively, you can make a set of skis that fit the bolt pattern of the wheels. I've done this for another all season wagon that I use for hauling logs, timber and other backcountry material.

hicountry wrote:
Do not want to pick at you Nizina, but any fuel tank over 119 gal down here needs placarded. I understand nobody may ever question it, but there are those out there who would. It is a nice setup.
HC

HC
Not a problem and I'm glad you brought this point up. I had the option of buying a tank with a capacity of 119 gallons that would have allowed for transport on public roads without being placarded. I would certainly recommend this size, or less, to anyone that intended to transport over a public transportation system. My fuel wagon is great for transporting over trails and around the homestead but if you want to lift the tank onto your pickup and cruse into town for a fill up, the 119 gallon tank would be advisable. Most of my equipment never sees a public road except for initial transportation to the mountains.

Thanks,
Nizina

Someplace earlier in this thread, I think a gent said he used an old home heating oil tank. Perhaps his is different than the one I witnessed being removed out of the ground. This one was lined with a tar like substance. Maybe it was just plain tar, I don't know. My guess is that the manufacture put it inside to prevent water from rusting the inside of the tank. Not sure what effect Avgas would have on that. I doubt that a home oil furnace would even notice the difference if the diesel eroded a little tar over the years. I just want you to be safe out there friend.

Just passing on the info.
and of course "ground it and filter, filter, filter..."

Thanks.

BladeRunner wrote:"ground it and filter, filter, filter..."

Thank you for the reminder to change the filter on my fuel trailer!

back from the dead..
any links to good filters and water filters?
just got a few hundred gallon tank for the family strip.
thanks guys
jake

Works well with 15 gal/min pump:
NAPA 4348 Fuel Filter
10 micron with water drain.

When searching for finer filtration (some available down to 2 microns...
check that the mounting size/threads will be compatible with your base)

RWM wrote:I use a propane tank. Clean inside, usually can find one cheap, zero loss to evaporation, no pump required...just keep air pressure on it (15-30 psi works best) and it flows as good as any pump.

I have 2 filters on mine and never had any issues whatsoever.

I think any transfer pump/tank made for fuel is fine. We've pumped 1000s of gallons through regular 12v transfer pumps.

I use a similar setup. Old 1,000 gallon anhydrous ammonia tank (same as a propane tank) on a running gear. For my diesel tanks I've used air pressure with good success. I haven't had the balls to try air to move gas yet...I have electric pumps on the gas tanks. Maybe it's an irrational fear.

I like the ammonia/propane tank because of the thickness of the steel. Also I keep it sealed up using the original ammonia gate valves on the tank which prevents evaporation. There are valves on both the pump and the vent that need to be opened before pumping gas. The original pressure relief valve is also on the tank which allows non-vented storage.

Slantbuggy wrote:back from the dead..
any links to good filters and water filters?
just got a few hundred gallon tank for the family strip.
thanks guys
jake

With avgas (even if its auto fuel) you need a little better filtration than you use for your lawnmower. The consequences of failure are worse.

You need a filter that not only filters out crud, but one that stops water from passing by more than just gravity. These are intended for that purpose: http://westechequipment.com/product/pec ... -on-filter

There can be water entrained in fuel which may not settle out in a conventional "gascolater type" filter. The fuse type filters will stop most if not all of that entrained water.

MTV

If you had a big enough storage system to justify in excess of minimum fuel delivery quantity, are avgas distributors willing to deliver to individuals (much like tractor fuel, etc)?

The smallest delivery we've asked for is 2500 Gallons.

Our distributor prefers 4000 because that equals a full compartment in his truck that comes straight from the refinery, and that gets us our best price.

If he reloads at his facility with a local delivery truck, and delivers to us through a meter, then the price goes up by about 15-20 cents per gallon.