I don't think it's fair to paint all CAP volunteers with the same brush.
mtv wrote:[
The "colonels" don't want ANYone but their folks out there. Why none of those locals have had all that "training" in marching little kids around the Tarmac, installing "discipline" in those poor undisciplined young ones.
I've seen too many searches where the locals went out and found the missing aviator before the CAP even got their maps sorted out.
MTV
Bonanza Man wrote:mtv wrote:[
The "colonels" don't want ANYone but their folks out there. Why none of those locals have had all that "training" in marching little kids around the Tarmac, installing "discipline" in those poor undisciplined young ones.
I've seen too many searches where the locals went out and found the missing aviator before the CAP even got their maps sorted out.
MTV
There's a reason CAP is essentially nonexistent in Montana.
M6RV6 wrote:The only fuckin way you ever find a lost plane or person is looking outside the box!!!!!
If the were in the box they would not be lost!!
I agree with the guys who have had the good experience of being around these CAP assholes!
A bunch of retired AH's who think they are god's gift and you better get out of the way!!
Last one I saw parked his brand new 182 on a bit of a pant after fueling up and then was very upset when I made him get off the couch and go move the dam thing as fuel was running on the pavement.
They would keep the key to the only crew car when they went on there mission, so as to male sure they could go to lunch when they got back, screw everyone else who might need it!
Just there attitude!!
Rant over!
My thought to the family and friends of the folks in the bird,
GT
Zzz wrote:
I think that was Fletcher Anderson, author of Flying the Mountains. Didn't know him personally, can't really defend him, but his book wasn't half bad.
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...Stol wrote:FOUND......
The Teton County Search and Rescue Heli found the plane this afternoon. A little over a mile from the last radar hit....
43.00.51 110.33.80
Godspeed to the pilot...
A BIG thanks to all involved in the search...
Stol wrote:M6RV6 wrote:The only fuckin way you ever find a lost plane or person is looking outside the box!!!!!
If the were in the box they would not be lost!!
I agree with the guys who have had the good experience of being around these CAP assholes!
A bunch of retired AH's who think they are god's gift and you better get out of the way!!
Last one I saw parked his brand new 182 on a bit of a pant after fueling up and then was very upset when I made him get off the couch and go move the dam thing as fuel was running on the pavement.
They would keep the key to the only crew car when they went on there mission, so as to male sure they could go to lunch when they got back, screw everyone else who might need it!
Just there attitude!!
Rant over!
My thought to the family and friends of the folks in the bird,
GT
The last Wing commander of the Wyoming CAP was just dumped a few weeks ago for doing something REAL stupid... Just to refresh the reason I bailed from the CAP. This rocket scientist was a CAP mission pilot, CAP check ride pilot who blesses all the other pilots so they can try to fly as good as he (did)... Past tense...
Totaled the plane and killed himself fly 15 feet above the Snake river.. Normal cruising altitude at this location is 4000 feet higher... Friggin idiot..
http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentRe ... 120000.pdf
Then these top of the line CAP members..
http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentRe ... 120000.pdf.
I could NOT Leave that dog and pony show fast enough...
BigNickMontana wrote:Stol wrote:M6RV6 wrote:The only fuckin way you ever find a lost plane or person is looking outside the box!!!!!
If the were in the box they would not be lost!!
I agree with the guys who have had the good experience of being around these CAP assholes!
A bunch of retired AH's who think they are god's gift and you better get out of the way!!
Last one I saw parked his brand new 182 on a bit of a pant after fueling up and then was very upset when I made him get off the couch and go move the dam thing as fuel was running on the pavement.
They would keep the key to the only crew car when they went on there mission, so as to male sure they could go to lunch when they got back, screw everyone else who might need it!
Just there attitude!!
Rant over!
My thought to the family and friends of the folks in the bird,
GT
The last Wing commander of the Wyoming CAP was just dumped a few weeks ago for doing something REAL stupid... Just to refresh the reason I bailed from the CAP. This rocket scientist was a CAP mission pilot, CAP check ride pilot who blesses all the other pilots so they can try to fly as good as he (did)... Past tense...
Totaled the plane and killed himself fly 15 feet above the Snake river.. Normal cruising altitude at this location is 4000 feet higher... Friggin idiot..
http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentRe ... 120000.pdf
Then these top of the line CAP members..
http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentRe ... 120000.pdf.
I could NOT Leave that dog and pony show fast enough...
Both of those files have been taken down.
Stol wrote:
WOW. At first I thought you had a bad connection,,, but I just clicked on them and you are right.. The CAP has had the NTSB remove them. Those guys are worse then I thought, hiding their mistakes this obvious make you wonder what they will do next.
BigNickMontana wrote:Stol wrote:M6RV6 wrote:The only fuckin way you ever find a lost plane or person is looking outside the box!!!!!
If the were in the box they would not be lost!!
I agree with the guys who have had the good experience of being around these CAP assholes!
A bunch of retired AH's who think they are god's gift and you better get out of the way!!
Last one I saw parked his brand new 182 on a bit of a pant after fueling up and then was very upset when I made him get off the couch and go move the dam thing as fuel was running on the pavement.
They would keep the key to the only crew car when they went on there mission, so as to male sure they could go to lunch when they got back, screw everyone else who might need it!
Just there attitude!!
Rant over!
My thought to the family and friends of the folks in the bird,
GT
The last Wing commander of the Wyoming CAP was just dumped a few weeks ago for doing something REAL stupid... Just to refresh the reason I bailed from the CAP. This rocket scientist was a CAP mission pilot, CAP check ride pilot who blesses all the other pilots so they can try to fly as good as he (did)... Past tense...
Totaled the plane and killed himself fly 15 feet above the Snake river.. Normal cruising altitude at this location is 4000 feet higher... Friggin idiot..
http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentRe ... 120000.pdf
Then these top of the line CAP members..
http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentRe ... 120000.pdf.
I could NOT Leave that dog and pony show fast enough...
Both of those files have been taken down.
Stol wrote:WOW. At first I thought you had a bad connection,,, but I just clicked on them and you are right.. The CAP has had the NTSB remove them. Those guys are worse then I thought, hiding their mistakes this obvious make you wonder what they will do next.
Zzz wrote:Stol wrote:WOW. At first I thought you had a bad connection,,, but I just clicked on them and you are right.. The CAP has had the NTSB remove them. Those guys are worse then I thought, hiding their mistakes this obvious make you wonder what they will do next.
I think you guys overestimate these guys' influence over the NTSB. Having an NTSB report expunged within 24 hr notice? Hahaha..that's CIA shit!
A more likely scenario is that their server generates the PDFs on demand or caches them, and the link you had just expired. I was able to download the PDF this morning.
http://www.backcountrypilot.org/gallery ... actual.pdf
BigNickMontana wrote:Zzz wrote:Stol wrote:Having read that it was interesting, I think the lesson to be learned from it is that you don't fly low over the ground hugging the river like you are Tom Cruise in an F-14 or something. There are things like power lines and steel cables that go across rivers, and they will bite you! Even in rural Alaska they have steel cable trams like this all over the place.
We watched all the emergency equipment head out to the runway and here comes a 172 smokin' in just a little under redline....... they managed to get it down but used up most of the runway!! 
That sort of soured me from that point on.......
Stol wrote:FOUND......
The Teton County Search and Rescue Heli found the plane this afternoon. A little over a mile from the last radar hit....
43.00.51 110.33.80
Godspeed to the pilot...
A BIG thanks to all involved in the search...
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