NineThreeKilo wrote:I'm a little confused, did you guys go to a airport/FBO with your aircraft or car?

I would prefer airports to take the paranoid approach if a "pilot" shows up in a pickup and wants to rest or eat the cookies.

Letting some guy in a car play around all night at a airport is how peoples planes go missing. Besides to just show up at a random airport in a car and use the facilities is kinda like going to a nice bistro eating the bread and leaving.

Now if I LANDED at a airport and was tired and someone asked me to leave I would have to politely decline.

Well..... I think you might have missed the point in my first post above and may have overlooked the humor in my last post.

And just for the record, I'm not the type to drive into airports and "play around all night". I just enjoy visiting airports all across this country whether I'm flying (which is almost none these days) or driving my pick up or big rig. I found that most all airports I've stopped at, they are always very inviting after recognizing I'm a licensed pilot on a Low and Slow road trip.

Like mentioned by others, probably no body better to have parked in a parking lot at an airport overnight or resting than a licensed pilot that wouldn't think twice about calling police if he/she sees suspicious activity.

Anyway, just my 2 cents. And no offense taken BTW.

NineThreeKilo wrote:I'm a little confused, did you guys go to a airport/FBO with your aircraft or car?

I would prefer airports to take the paranoid approach if a "pilot" shows up in a pickup and wants to rest or eat the cookies.
Letting some guy in a car play around all night at a airport is how peoples planes go missing. Besides to just show up at a random airport in a car and use the facilities is kinda like going to a nice bistro eating the bread and leaving.

Now if I LANDED at a airport and was tired and someone asked me to leave I would have to politely decline.

What planet are you living on?

NineThreeKilo wrote:I'm a little confused, did you guys go to a airport/FBO with your aircraft or car?

I would prefer airports to take the paranoid approach if a "pilot" shows up in a pickup and wants to rest or eat the cookies.

Letting some guy in a car play around all night at a airport is how peoples planes go missing. Besides to just show up at a random airport in a car and use the facilities is kinda like going to a nice bistro eating the bread and leaving.

Now if I LANDED at a airport and was tired and someone asked me to leave I would have to politely decline.

Read the opening post and your confusion will fade. Clearly states that he drove in. Bill is the bushwheel guy and he has a camper/bushwheel display vehicle. He is as nice a guy as you can find.

If ever coming through my neck of the wood, Bill you are welcome here.

Tim

qmdv wrote:

NineThreeKilo wrote:I'm a little confused, did you guys go to a airport/FBO with your aircraft or car?

I would prefer airports to take the paranoid approach if a "pilot" shows up in a pickup and wants to rest or eat the cookies.

Letting some guy in a car play around all night at a airport is how peoples planes go missing. Besides to just show up at a random airport in a car and use the facilities is kinda like going to a nice bistro eating the bread and leaving.

Now if I LANDED at a airport and was tired and someone asked me to leave I would have to politely decline.

Read the opening post and your confusion will fade. Clearly states that he drove in. Bill is the bushwheel guy and he has a camper/bushwheel display vehicle. He is as nice a guy as you can find.

If ever coming through my neck of the wood, Bill you are welcome here.

Tim

And I believe the vehicle (maybe trailer) has AK Bushwheel company logo's on all sides.

Gotcha

I always go looking around airports, no problem with people doing that.

However when you get people who dont work at the airport driving cars on and sleeping, this I wouldnt be a big fan of at my airport.

A big company vehicle (i.e. a official looking big truck and trailer with Lycoming, or Bush Wheels or what ever) makes sense and is OK.

I would be disappointed if decided to sleep in my car at my airport and wasnt confronted. There is a reason when I park my car next to my hangar to go flying I dont worry about locking it, I would like to be able to continue this.

SixTwoLeemer wrote:

NineThreeKilo wrote:I'm a little confused, did you guys go to a airport/FBO with your aircraft or car?

I would prefer airports to take the paranoid approach if a "pilot" shows up in a pickup and wants to rest or eat the cookies.
Letting some guy in a car play around all night at a airport is how peoples planes go missing. Besides to just show up at a random airport in a car and use the facilities is kinda like going to a nice bistro eating the bread and leaving.

Now if I LANDED at a airport and was tired and someone asked me to leave I would have to politely decline.

What planet are you living on?

The planet that doesnt want to taxi around cars with people sleeping in them, the same planet that whose inhabitants dont like to have there their plane jacked or the cookies in the FBO eaten by people who dont contribute jack to the facilities.

I pay 300 a month for the hangar, the corp guys pay bucks for the fuel, Joe drives his truck on, doesnt take on fuel, doesnt have a hangar and doesnt even have a AIRCRAFT in transient parking yet uses all the facilities, sorry but that's being a roach.

NineThreeKilo wrote:The planet that doesnt want to taxi around cars with people sleeping in them

Well.. thats completely irrelevant to this discussion as the trailer in the OP was parked in the parking lot.

NineThreeKilo wrote:the same planet that whose inhabitants dont like to have there their plane jacked

so the AK Bushwheel trailer pulls into the airport parking lot for some rest and the jackings begin???

NineThreeKilo wrote: the cookies in the FBO eaten by people who dont contribute jack to the facilities.

Heaven help us! The cookie monsters are upon us!

You continue the paranoia and cookie patrol and I'll continue to be decent and respectfull to others at the local airport and expect the same from them and we both get what we want-

To my understanding he did not want to camp on the numbers, just in the parking lot. How unthoughtfull of him. The last time I saw Bill he filled me and a few others up on BBQed Oysters. Well at least now I know where all my cookies went. Wait tell I see him next.

Tim

"I pay 300 a month for the hangar, the corp guys pay bucks for the fuel, Joe drives his truck on, doesn't take on fuel, doesn't have a hangar and doesn't even have a AIRCRAFT in transient parking yet uses all the facilities, sorry but that's being a roach."

That's not being very friendly . It's one thing if somebody's casing the place and tearing shit up. But I've done the same thing with my camper and glider trailer. I feel more secure at an airport, shouldn't I? I know TSA is there to protect us.

Be glad you're not getting all the government you're paying for!

Glidergeek wrote:"I pay 300 a month for the hangar, the corp guys pay bucks for the fuel, Joe drives his truck on, doesn't take on fuel, doesn't have a hangar and doesn't even have a AIRCRAFT in transient parking yet uses all the facilities, sorry but that's being a roach."

That's not being very friendly . It's one thing if somebody's casing the place and tearing shit up. But I've done the same thing with my camper and glider trailer. I feel more secure at an airport, shouldn't I? I know TSA is there to protect us.

Be glad you're not getting all the government you're paying for!

I've been a Airport person for better than 50 years. When traveling to a new town I try and check out the local airport to see whats happening. Many airports are like small communities of aviator types. I see hanger open I yell out "hello in the hanger" and wait for a response -most pilots are only too happy to see another aviator too say how's it going. What kind of flying machine do you have and so on. I realize that a big truck (motorhome size) with Alaska Bushwheels on the side (Yes I've seen it and been inside) is a pretty distinct site. If Bill was stopping for a nap or even overnight that would be ok by me.
Maybe Bill was there to talk to a customer -or just hang out. For the folks of Lincoln County airport to come say move on is a bit rude to our fellow aviators .If Bill or any of you "aviator heads" need a place to stop and rest your weary head let me know in Southern Nevada or Northwest AZ. Come on in and set a spell -coffee is always making or can be in a few. P.S. guess I won't e taking my motor home/or airplane to Lincoln County,NV. airport anytime soon.

Glidergeek wrote:"I pay 300 a month for the hangar, the corp guys pay bucks for the fuel, Joe drives his truck on, doesn't take on fuel, doesn't have a hangar and doesn't even have a AIRCRAFT in transient parking yet uses all the facilities, sorry but that's being a roach."

Joe?? Is that a type O?? You meant to say "Pat", didn't you??

On the same note, my buddy that fly's a corporate jet is a big tipper at every FBO he stops at. Especially if he and his crew didn't purchase fuel or anything else. He said that's the least they could do. Needless to say, he and the crew was always treated very well.

It's sad... And not just this incident.

As a kid I was a fixture at the little airport in Montague, and underfoot as much as possible. I soaked up as much hangar flying as I could, and paid close attention to pretty much every word those old pilots said. Amazing how years later I would draw on those conversations, when I would be rapidly pulling things out of my bag of tricks to keep from whacking the tundra.

Later, Lower 48 with my own hangars, they were always set up as apartments under the wings for pilots to stop by to drink beers, barbecue, or sleep if kicked out of the house. Lots of folks ended up there that just happened to be passing through and wanted to stop and talk airplanes. Isn't that what makes an airport a cool place just to hang out?

Now with fences, gate codes, TSA dipshits, and the "security" mindset taking over, it's all turning into a paranoid armed camp. Really makes me appreciate places like Austin, where Pops Dory holds court and makes aviators feel welcome no matter how they arrive.

Gump

all valid points for sure gump...a few years ago, i was enroute to prescott,az to see my daughters and such. had worked all day, busted ass to get off the ground, and then fueled in heber, ut. while enroute, started definitely getting hypoxia in the dark while up high, getting ready for my shot thru the "dragon corridor" at the grand canyon. pretty much exhausted, i spiraled down to land at richfield, ut for the nite after one of my tour operator buddies, who was also airborne, talked me into it. after 3 interesting attempts, i got it on the ground in KRIF, taxi'd over to tie down and etc. another guy in a taylor craft had just arrived also, and he was gonna camp w/his bird. i no more than tied the old 182 down, and up pulls a guy and his wife in a new honda car, gets out, throws me the keys, says see ya in the morning!" the hampton is just a few miles into town" see ya! so happens he had been listening to us on the unicom, and knew how beat i was, and drove over, with 2 of his own cars to help...didn't know me from adam, aren't airport people cool!

Unfortunately a lot of the people who work at aiports & even run airports are not airport people. The port authority which operates my home airport doesn't employ a single pilot. The airport manager wouldn't know a bush wheel from a cheese wheel. He definitely doesn't know a Piper from a cessna from a Maule.
Too often, people (esp those who are "in authority") are predisposed to answer "no" to any unusal request. After requesting the infield grass be kept mowed, as that's where transients camp under their wing, I was told that camping on the airport is not an appropriate or approved use. ( we've only been camping on this airport since forever) There's another area I'd like to see kept mowed down so I can land there, but I know if I tell them that it'll be an automatic "NO" so I don't even ask.
Also, keep in mind that a privately owned airport, even a public use one, is PRIVATE PROPERTY. If they wanna run ya off, that's their perogative. I had a guy who was "communing with nature" on my 10 acres (no shit, that's what he told me), and he got mad at me when I asked him to move along. "I'm not hurting anything" he said. That's not the point- private property is private property. I try to respect other's property, and hope that they'll do the same.

hotrod150 wrote:Unfortunately a lot of the people who work at aiports & even run airports are not airport people. The port authority which operates my home airport doesn't employ a single pilot. The airport manager wouldn't know a bush wheel from a cheese wheel. He definitely doesn't know a Piper from a cessna from a Maule.
Too often, people (esp those who are "in authority") are predisposed to answer "no" to any unusal request. After requesting the infield grass be kept mowed, as that's where transients camp under their wing, I was told that camping on the airport is not an appropriate or approved use. ( we've only been camping on this airport since forever) There's another area I'd like to see kept mowed down so I can land there, but I know if I tell them that it'll be an automatic "NO" so I don't even ask.
Also, keep in mind that a privately owned airport, even a public use one, is PRIVATE PROPERTY. If they wanna run ya off, that's their prerogative. I had a guy who was "communing with nature" on my 10 acres (no shit, that's what he told me), and he got mad at me when I asked him to move along. "I'm not hurting anything" he said. That's not the point- private property is private property. I try to respect other's property, and hope that they'll do the same.

We have this same problem at the Boulder City airport the city is looking to make the airport a "revenue" source. In Boulder City's airport (KBVU) case they get alot of income from Scenic airlines and Paperboy Helicopters .And fuel "surcharges "to everyone. The airport "management " is a pair of women who don't give a hoot about the pilots or airplanes and run around trying to run everyone off-except the revenue producers for the airport . I'm sure they get a "kick back check" from the commercial operators. I'm pretty sure neither one has ever been in a small plane much less ever had a pilots licensees.Kind of like the prez. appointing his advisers-not qualified to do anything . I go down to AZ50 26 miles away to do any work or sales> no hassle there and I always have the coffee pot on when were there . Airplanes abound with old Stinsons, Ballanca's, Champs, Pipers and experimental and a occasional Cessna . The old Boulder City airport was almost in town and pilots from near and fat would land and go to the Safeway and A&W to get stuff. With all this "post 911" mentality " airport life is going away at a alarming rate.Airports are being closed and taken over by housing developments,industrial parks etc. Get and watch "16 Right" and show it to your airport operators .

GumpAir wrote:.....Now with fences, gate codes, TSA dipshits, and the "security" mindset taking over, it's all turning into a paranoid armed camp. ....

There's a back gate into my airport which is maintenance access for the adjacent powerline -- it's kept locked to keep folks from shortcutting through the airport. But if you have a 4WD you can get around the gate, which I often do on the weekend since it cuts 2-3 miles off my drive. A few times this last summer, I saw a Border Patrol rig parked back there lurking in the brush. I don't know what they though they were accomplishing, but the BP presence is being ramped up on the Olympic Peninsula so I guess all the new guys have to be somewhere. When I saw them there, I decided to just go around the long way because I didn't really need a run-in with someone who'd be predisposed to assume I'm guilty of something-- esp since I had a (legally carried, but so what) loaded firearm with me.
BTW how come on this site it's OK for you & me to carry guns, but when someone else does it they're an "armed camp"?

hotrod150 wrote: BTW how come on this site it's OK for you & me to carry guns, but when someone else does it they're an "armed camp"?

ARMED CAMP INDEED. One of my anti gun friends asked why I need so many guns. I asked why you need so many golf clubs in your bag.

Tim

jomac wrote:all valid points for sure gump...a few years ago, i was enroute to prescott,az to see my daughters and such. had worked all day, busted ass to get off the ground, and then fueled in heber, ut. while enroute, started definitely getting hypoxia in the dark while up high, getting ready for my shot thru the "dragon corridor" at the grand canyon. pretty much exhausted, i spiraled down to land at richfield, ut for the nite after one of my tour operator buddies, who was also airborne, talked me into it. after 3 interesting attempts, i got it on the ground in KRIF, taxi'd over to tie down and etc. another guy in a taylor craft had just arrived also, and he was gonna camp w/his bird. i no more than tied the old 182 down, and up pulls a guy and his wife in a new honda car, gets out, throws me the keys, says see ya in the morning!" the hampton is just a few miles into town" see ya! so happens he had been listening to us on the unicom, and knew how beat i was, and drove over, with 2 of his own cars to help...didn't know me from adam, aren't airport people cool!

I hereby nominate this as post of the year............

Ben.
www.haaspowerair.com

Stol wrote:

jomac wrote:all valid points for sure gump...a few years ago, i was enroute to prescott,az to see my daughters and such. had worked all day, busted ass to get off the ground, and then fueled in heber, ut. while enroute, started definitely getting hypoxia in the dark while up high, getting ready for my shot thru the "dragon corridor" at the grand canyon. pretty much exhausted, i spiraled down to land at richfield, ut for the nite after one of my tour operator buddies, who was also airborne, talked me into it. after 3 interesting attempts, i got it on the ground in KRIF, taxi'd over to tie down and etc. another guy in a taylor craft had just arrived also, and he was gonna camp w/his bird. i no more than tied the old 182 down, and up pulls a guy and his wife in a new honda car, gets out, throws me the keys, says see ya in the morning!" the hampton is just a few miles into town" see ya! so happens he had been listening to us on the unicom, and knew how beat i was, and drove over, with 2 of his own cars to help...didn't know me from adam, aren't airport people cool!

I hereby nominate this as post of the year............

Ben.
http://www.haaspowerair.com

For years, when on motorcycles trips, I'd often camp out at a small airport, and other then once or twice NEVER had a problem. The once or twice wasn't a problem either really, just the local law making sure I was OK and not up to any mischief..... I'd just say "I'm a pilot, and I'm waiting for a buddy to fly in." True enough!

hotrod150 wrote: BTW how come on this site it's OK for you & me to carry guns, but when someone else does it they're an "armed camp"?

I don't think "us guys carrying guns" at airports are detaining people, and acting under color of authority when we deal with people. Big difference in hanging out with airport bums who happen to be gun nuts, and being confronted by TSA/airport security.

Gump

GumpAir wrote: I don't think "us guys carrying guns" at airports are detaining people, and acting under color of authority when we deal with people. Big difference in hanging out with airport bums who happen to be gun nuts, and being confronted by TSA/airport security.

Very true. I was only pulling your leg, but you make a good point. A badge & a power trip (seemingly common to rent-a-cops & newbie law officers) is a bad combination. Nothing worse than a jerk who really believes in what he's doing. Common sense seems to go right out the window sometimes.