So what brought him out of it? It didn't seem to be opposite rudder, unless he was standing on the right one for the first 20.

As I understand his own explanation, he did not recover from the flat spin directly. He was able to get the nose down and change the flat spin into a normal spin and then recover from there. I will probably keep this one in the theory box in the back of my mind and not in the tool box next to the control stick.

dirtstrip wrote:As I understand his own explanation, he did not recover from the flat spin directly. He was able to get the nose down and change the flat spin into a normal spin and then recover from there. I will probably keep this one in the theory box in the back of my mind and not in the tool box next to the control stick.

Dirt - Not having had any spin training, I'm wondering, is there a difference in how one recovers from a flat spin as compared to a "normal" spin? Something different than (1) forward elevator to lower the nose with simultaneous opposite rudder til the spin stops, then (2) ailerons to level the wings, (3) followed by power and back elevator to level off?

Duane

No... flat spin, normal spin, inverted spin... the recovery is all the same. However, in this case it seems the stab was blocking air flow over the rudder when it went flat. This is a design flaw... most likely. The pilot did very well by trying the opposite of wasn't working. In my advanced spin training by F-16 fighter pilots (and a spin in an F-16 is a punchout event) I was taught... 3 potatoes. Give the input... count... one potato... two potato... three potato. If I'm not out of it at that point... DO THE OPPOSITE.

BTW... It's Power off... Ailerons neutral...full top Rudder... Elevators through neutral. P.A.R.E.

Spinner wrote:No... flat spin, normal spin, inverted spin... the recovery is all the same. However, in this case it seems the stab was blocking air flow over the rudder when it went flat. This is a design flaw... most likely. The pilot did very well by trying the opposite of wasn't working. In my advanced spin training by F-16 fighter pilots (and a spin in an F-16 is a punchout event) I was taught... 3 potatoes. Give the input... count... one potato... two potato... three potato. If I'm not out of it at that point... DO THE OPPOSITE.

I couldn't tell what he was doing, it looked like he finally pushed the nose over. Are you saying he gave up opposite rudder and pulled out with bottom rudder?