Its so much I can get enough of it, although this time there was lots of smoke in the canyons in the area of Soldier bar, Cabin creek and lower Loon.
I landed at Cabin creek , but the other were impossible.

What date was the trip into Cabin Creek?

Assuming the rest of the Middle Fork was too smoky?

It was this past Sunday, August 20th.

My favourite of all you've posted! I really like the shots following the river. Are you slowed up and a bit of flap to reduce your turn radius? I bet this is where your AOA indicator shines. I'm reluctant to try stuff like that with just an airspeed indicator and attitude indicator and a table for speeds!

Pinecone, yes I was flying the river by the angle of attack indicator, works nicely for this, with 20 degrees of flaps initially , and 40 degrees when I was getting closer to the airstrip.

Motoadve, I always enjoy your videos so thank you for posting them. I do feel as though I have to say something about your flight into Wilson bar though, it makes me cringe. Flying the river that low for that long provides great ammunition for the folks that would like to close the wilderness runways in Idaho and creates more work for the pilots trying to keep them open.

Flying rivers like that is fun, I do it too, but I think "Wild and Scenic" rivers are the wrong place to be doing it.

To follow up on "Whee's" post, at 1:53 you fly right over the top of some rafters. Maybe they thought it was "cool;" Maybe they are calling and writing the Forest Service office...

At that low for that long, what time do you have to trouble-shoot anything if your engine fails?

At that low for that long, what time do you have to evaluate other landing options if your engine fails?

<sigh>...

Never thought for a moment it was bad for us pilots, since its an approach into a well known strip.
Not trying to put in danger the strips for sure.

Now that I know this, I wont come as low next time, thanks for the information.

motoadve wrote:Never thought for a moment it was bad for us pilots, since its an approach into a well known strip.
Not trying to put in danger the strips for sure.

Now that I know this, I wont come as low next time, thanks for the information.

Thank you for thoughtfully considering Whee's post. I've gone back and forth about replying to your post in a similar fashion. I always hate to be "that guy", but Whee put it well. It's much appreciated when folks refrain from bagging strips or flying unnecessarily low through those wilderness corridors. There are also many times that super high RPM can be avoided with big props - so please consider that too if conditions allow. Thanks again and keep putting up the videos!

Thank you motoadve. I was concerned about saying anything because I certainly enjoy your videos and look forward to the day when I can follow you around Seattle and also meet you in the Idaho Wilderness. Thank you for taking it the right way and thinking it over. Anything we can do to not negatively affect someone else's Wilderness experience while still enjoying it ourselves is a good thing.

whee wrote:Thank you motoadve. I was concerned about saying anything because I certainly enjoy your videos and look forward to the day when I can follow you around Seattle and also meet you in the Idaho Wilderness. Thank you for taking it the right way and thinking it over. Anything we can do to not negatively affect someone else's Wilderness experience while still enjoying it ourselves is a good thing.

Whee Thank you for letting me know.
I was aware not to go to Simmonds, Vines or Dewey Moore, and I kept out of those to avoid creating problems.(Mile hi I wont try anyway in my 182 at least).
Then I go fly low over the river to Wilson bar was not aware.

whee wrote:Motoadve, I always enjoy your videos so thank you for posting them. I do feel as though I have to say something about your flight into Wilson bar though, it makes me cringe. Flying the river that low for that long provides great ammunition for the folks that would like to close the wilderness runways in Idaho and creates more work for the pilots trying to keep them open.

Flying rivers like that is fun, I do it too, but I think "Wild and Scenic" rivers are the wrong place to be doing it.

100% agree. I do not think videos in these areas help either, to be frank.

Appreciate the videos. Keep the natives happy.

The energy management turn is easier to see from a camera in the cockpit near pilot eye level. I hope someone comes by here with that mount. While not as necessary or as interesting, it is easier to see on a river or pipeline in flat country. The normal horizon shows the greater pitch up for steep turns and lesser pitch up for shallow turns.

Interesting post about flying low thru the canyon. I was wondering the same thing and was thinking that the strip had to be around the next bend, certainly made me uncomfortable. But as all have said, beautiful video, just would have enjoyed it a little higher.

Being that low is a personal choice (doesn't affect me so who cares), however, having been a State liason for for the RAF for 7 years now I have had lots of interactions with the BLM and FS folks and being that low isn't just affecting the safety of the pilot.

There is no question that this kind of behavior discredits all of the conversations and interactions that we do. There are probably plenty of places is to do this, but over a major rafting corridor in a wilderness area where airplanes have a fragile exemption isn't one of them. To post proof of this makes any sort of advocacy even harder. I have posted a few videos over the years but tried to make sure they weren't going to put anything in jeopardy, from my certificate to a particular airstrip. And even though I feel most of my videos were in the vein of safety, I still contemplate deleting them.

2 weeks ago I spent a weekend flying in the San Juans with a couple of huge aviation Youtubers. One of them is being violated for not using a checklist in a video that was clearly edited. The exposure is real and weather it is the FAA, BLM, FS, or anyone else for that matter a video is pretty telling for whatever they want to push, edited or not. Reading the letter he received certainly gave me pause.

I am not trying to be the fun police, but we have seen airports close do to people doing stupid stuff. Last year in Colorado we lost the use of a great private airstrip due to silly behavior. It does happen.

After going to the website off of Youtube I noticed you using "STOL Tips" on your website. While I am not through the trademark process yet, I do find it amazingly unoriginal. Furthermore after seeing the video I find it pretty discrediting to my STOL Tips seminars, articles, and videos that have put out over the years.

I would kindly ask you to change the name of that section of your website:

http://www.backcountry182.com/stol-tips/

I could not agree more, flying low and slow is part of backcountry, but we must be judicious in our selection of areas we do so. I know we all want to have fun in the backcountry, but every time we fly, like it or not we represent backcountry GA as a whole, we are each ambassadors. A few years ago, on my first visit to the BLM Washington office, at the start of negotiation the now in place MOU between the BLM and RAF, the first subject brought up was a recent incident of misbehavior, for lack of a better term, of a pilot in Utah. What saved the day, and our relationship with the BLM, was our ability to show that the pilot community itself had dealt with the issue with direct communication with the specific pilot. Our behaviour can and does effect the long term future of our enjoyment of backcountry flying. Please keep this in mind as Learntolandshort has also asked. If we do not manage our own behavior, you can bet the land managers will.

motoadve wrote:

whee wrote:Thank you motoadve. I was concerned about saying anything because I certainly enjoy your videos and look forward to the day when I can follow you around Seattle and also meet you in the Idaho Wilderness. Thank you for taking it the right way and thinking it over. Anything we can do to not negatively affect someone else's Wilderness experience while still enjoying it ourselves is a good thing.

Whee Thank you for letting me know.
I was aware not to go to Simmonds, Vines or Dewey Moore, and I kept out of those to avoid creating problems.(Mile hi I wont try anyway in my 182 at least).
Then I go fly low over the river to Wilson bar was not aware.

Already been told I apologize and was not aware, now removed the video from Youtube what else you guys need ?
Ban me from here?
Done with this thread!

@learntolandshort
As for STOL tips , being not original I have had Riding Tips in my website for years for motorcycle riding.

http://www.motoadventuring.com/riding-tips.html

I dont know who you are and why are you asking me to change the name of STOL tips.
I havent copied this tips from anyone, as with riding, this are just tips that work for me for flying into short places.

Please send me a PM first and introduce yourself , then we can talk.

The trouble with such generic terms like "STOL" and "backcountry" being used for copyrighted content is that it's difficult to maintain a distinct brand identity. That URL does look very similar to: https://backcountrypilot.org/stol-tips, which is the series Patrick and I have created together.

We can only hope that searchers and readers are keen enough on the details to differentiate them.

For me is not that important , even if its not a trademark I would be willing to change the name so there are not confusions.
Thank you for clarifying this Zzz.