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Ahhhhh shit! Aveo LEDs going to be coming off some planes

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Wed Jun 22, 2016 6:58 am

Ahhhhh shit! Aveo LEDs going to be coming off some planes

Some certified folks are going to be pissed, looks like aveo straight lied about their lights being TSOed.

http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/safety/programs/sups/upn/media/2016/S20110831001Aveo_UPN.pdf

Information discovered during an FAA suspected unapproved parts investigation revealed that Aveo Engineering Group, s.r.o. (Aveo Engineering), located at Dobř??, Obory č.p. 98, PSČ 263 01, Czech Republic, and at Pribam Airport, Drasov 202, 261 01 Drasov, Czech Republic, advertised the above listed aircraft exterior LED lights on their websites as approved to FAA TSO No. TSO-C30c Aircraft Position Lights or FAA TSO No. TSO-C96a Anticollision Light Systems. However, Aveo Engineering did not hold FAA design approval in the form of an FAA letter of TSO design approval (LODA) for these models. Therefore, these models are not FAA TSO approved articles, as Aveo Engineering advertised.
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Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:31 am

Re: Ahhhhh chit! Aveo LEDs going to be coming off some plan

I have kept a close eye on the Aveo lights for some time, and even purchased some of the products. It was always very clear to me, in the advertising, that the Aurora series met the "design standards" of the TSO but did not actually have a TSO and was for experimental aircraft only.

I have no dog in the fight, except that it is not unheard of for the FAA to drag someone around for a perceived wrongdoing, when in fact there was nothing amiss. I think that is bullshit, and my support is always going to be on the side of the innovators in the aviation industry rather than with some bureaucracy that has shown a proclivity to stifling general aviation.

Aveo says this:

Latest News

Some FAA MIDO’s do not even know their own FAA Bilateral Agreements

In 2015 the FAA and EASA signed the TIP Revision 5 Reciprocal Agreement on TSO products. You can read it on the faa.gov website and EASA also.

It is the agreement signed between EASA and FAA making TSO’s valid in both worlds without having to do individual validations. It means an FAA TSO is fine in EASA countries and EASA ETSO is equivalent with no additional paperwork in FAA jurisdictions

Here is notification from EASA to Aveo directly that the FAA and EASA reached this agreement in June of 2015 and it has gone into full effect, so there is no need to file validation of our ETSOs with FAA any further, even though for many Galactica lights we hold actual FAA certifications too.

This is relevant for GALACTICA CERTIFIED LIGHTS produced by Aveo. It has nothing to do with uncertified experimental aircraft lights of the Aurora series, which are not claimed to be certified by Aveo at any point. AVEO GALACTICA SERIES PRODUCTS CARRY EITHER AN EASA ETSO or and FAA TSO as can be seen in the certification approvals which are displayed on our website and shown right here below. On the Aveo website, you may easily locate as it is displayed prominently on the Galactica product individual page if you scroll down, and also on the Downloads tab for that particular product. If you purchase an Aurora Series experimental light you are NOT BUYING A CERTIFIED LIGHT. THERE IS A REASON AURORA LIGHTS ARE INEXPENSIVE AS THEY HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH THE TSO PROCESS.

http://www.aveoengineering.com/
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Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:38 pm

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Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:43 pm

Re: Ahhhhh shit! Aveo LEDs going to be coming off some plan

Are normal, incandescent light bulbs TSO'd?
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Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:34 pm

Re: Ahhhhh shit! Aveo LEDs going to be coming off some plan

The Aveo Galactica strobes and beacon I recently installed have the TSO markings..... I thought these were manufactured in the USA?


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Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:29 pm

Re: Ahhhhh shit! Aveo LEDs going to be coming off some plan

CamTom12 wrote:Are normal, incandescent light bulbs TSO'd?


No, I believe they fall under the "standard part" clause.

Another good question is does a CAR3 plane need lights with a TSO?


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Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:51 pm

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Prosaria wrote:
Another good question is does a CAR3 plane need lights with a TSO?


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I was always taught that we had to maintain the aircraft to the standard to which it is certified to.... so CAR3 stuff shouldn't need that, unless it's for an instrument required for IFR flight.... it's a grey area...I've seen feds argue over it! (which by the way, is worth the price of admission!)
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:33 am

Re: Ahhhhh shit! Aveo LEDs going to be coming off some plan

hardtailjohn wrote:
Prosaria wrote:Another good question is does a CAR3 plane need lights with a TSO?

I was always taught that we had to maintain the aircraft to the standard to which it is certified to.... so CAR3 stuff shouldn't need that, unless it's for an instrument required for IFR flight.... it's a grey area...I've seen feds argue over it! (which by the way, is worth the price of admission!) John


FWIW here's a link to CAR 3.

http://www.navioneer.org/riprelay/Yet%2 ... _part3.pdf
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Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:36 am

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Update: FAA rescinds UPN, says they fucked up...

http://www.aveoengineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/2016-20110831001_UPN_AVEO_Rescind.pdf
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