Good morning, making a few changes to my new 56 182 and appreciate opinions/ideas. Airglass nose fork owners; what tires are you running on your nose?
Thanks
Jack

flyingjack wrote:Good morning, making a few changes to my new 56 182 and appreciate opinions/ideas. Airglass nose fork owners; what tires are you running on your nose?
Thanks
Jack

On our 206s, we ran 8.00 x 6 tire on the nose, and generally 8.50 x 6 on mains. To me, that was just about perfect for the majority of where I'd want to take one of these airplanes.

MTV

I have a Cessna 175 and just recently installed the Airglas fork. I went with 700x6 tire on the nose with 850x6 mains.

I’m not doing any real off airport stuff yet, but on rougher grass strips it has performed well. That’s the only combo I’ve tried so far, so I have nothing to compare it to though. I may try the 600x6 on the nose and see if it makes any difference speed wise which I doubt it does.

Jason

Here’s a photo

I have flown a friends 182 a few times and agree that an 8.00 on the nose and 8.50 on the mains is about right. With the 8.50 on the nose it was sometimes hard to not 3-pt the landings.

When I first installed the Airglas nose fork on my ‘56 C182, the STC required the same size tires all around. So, I ran 8.50’s.
I did not like this setup for two reasons: First, clearance issues with the nose gear; and second, finding an 8.50 tire that would balance well enough to avoid the dreaded Cessna nose wheel shimmy. Fortunately, I was able to get a field approval for an 8.00 on the nose and never looked back. Now (as I understand it), you can run an 8.00 without a field approval. As others have said, I think this is the best combo for an Airglas-equipped C182.

This is a student's 75 P model with the mod recently done. 8.5s on the mains and 8 on the nose. The Airglass fork is really well made and durable. Not a cheap mod though - I was surprised at the total cost - but this also included 2 Goodyear 8.5 tires plus about 20-25 hours labor for the install. Worth it if you are taking your 182 into some rough strips. I am not sure what the difference in prop clearance is now - but enough to worry a lot less and it looks great.


Josh

Sand Hill CNC - What motor and prop combo do you have in that plane?

175 magnum wrote:Sand Hill CNC - What motor and prop combo do you have in that plane?

I have the AVCON STC with the Lycoming 0-360 A1A and Hartzell HC-C24R-1BF Prop

Dog is my Copilot wrote:

This is a student's 75 P model with the mod recently done. 8.5s on the mains and 8 on the nose. The Airglass fork is really well made and durable. Not a cheap mod though - I was surprised at the total cost - but this also included 2 Goodyear 8.5 tires plus about 20-25 hours labor for the install. Worth it if you are taking your 182 into some rough strips. I am not sure what the difference in prop clearance is now - but enough to worry a lot less and it looks great.


Josh

Nice looking machine, is that at Keyway?

Here’s a picture of my machine, E model also with the landis fork setup with 8:00x6 on the nose and 8:50x6 on the mains. It’s been a perfect setup for us.

I run the 8.00 on the nose and 8.50's on the mains. It's the perfect combination for me.
After doing this mod the plane developed an allergy to asphalt. Now it spends most of its time in the back country.

Halestorm wrote:Here’s a picture of my machine, E model also with the landis fork setup with 8:00x6 on the nose and 8:50x6 on the mains. It’s been a perfect setup for us.

Nice looking airplane Halestorm and yes - this is Keyway on a beautiful day and Jay is a great guy.

Of note - I have flown 2 other C182s with size 6 tires recently. One of them out in Montana and Idaho in June. I think the combination of the 8.5s on the mains/8 out front is the best mod for anyone wanting to land at some of the tougher strips in Idaho/Montana backcountry. We flew into Memaloose with the small tired 182 and it was interesting. The bottom part of the strip was a bit muddy and it is bumpy enough that I wouldn't consider bringing it in their again unless it had the above mentioned mod. Definitely had to check the prop when we got out of the plane. Luckily no damage. Larry has this setup on his C182 and he seems to do really well with off airport/gravel bars. Anything else is taking unnecessary risk. A lot of money but nothing compared to a prop strike. I think it is also possible to go 8.5 X10s on mains and and 8.5 X 6 out front. Of course you could just go tailwheel and not stress at all.


Josh

Josh makes a great point regarding the cost of a prop strike. And, 182s have the prop pretty close to the ground.

Same with 206, though the 206 is a good bit easier to land tail low, and protect the prop.

That said, I've flown 206s with an 850 x 6 on the nose and 29 x 11 x 10 tires on the mains. Better clearance yet, and on loose sand beaches, that's a nice setup.

But, the Airglas (aka Landes) fork kit is well worth the investment, if you're going to back country strips. And on a 182, 8,.00 x 6 on the nose and 8.5 on mains seems to be about the best compromise.

Then be sure to secure a bit of heavy rubber hose, split and clamped around that nose strut, to prevent the gear from bottoming. Sometimes in the rough, if the strut isn't properly inflated, it can bottom, and that is HARD on all kinds of stuff.

The good news? That piece of rubber hose is cheap.

MTV

For real off airport work in your 182 it's the 8.50 and Airglass fork combo with 8.50 X 10 on the 10x10 Bushwheels with double pucks. The 29" main tire is just to heavy. I like a vary well worn tire for the nose: plush, not too much nose strut pressure as there is a reason you should have a Marlboro pack of chrome showing, I like a little bit more but that's all, then add the obligatory three inches of 5000 series hose as a snubber ideally installed sans hose clamps whence building up the strut assembly.

You whack a rock with a fully extended strut with too much pressure and your torque links extended there is no strength in that position also all the mechanical advantage and aft force can get to bending and breaking things, better for the strut to compress, eat up some of the load, and then take the hit shorter and stronger. A lot of words there and we be but humble pilots...

FYI: Almost got jacked when a previous wrench install the oleo retainer sleeve upside down so the chamfer that locks the snap ring in place was not there and the whole shabang tried to eject while out hunting green heads on a secret westside slough beach. Hoped out on my tie down at 5NK and noticed the nose gear torque links perallel to the strut and my tail cone inches from the concrete.

Low as you dare air pressure in all three tires. I don't recall the numbers I was using but it was less then you read about. Pig to push that's for sure but that's what the noise maker is for.

And if you don't know how to land mains first every time, and with a load only kissing the nose once, deep flair, almost tail dragging, fat burp of power kind, then find some one to teach you or stay on the smooth sticky black stuff.

After a few thousand flying a Tripacer moving up to the big girl was a breeze. To be honest I rarely hauled out a gross load of moose or fish and when I did it was soft but not short and even less often did I land in the really rough off airport at gross cause.

I had a DA event where I thought the soft tires hindered my performance, up at the old carabu strip between the Muklung hills, it was about 90f, the strip as at 1,500. The strip runs perpendicular to the narrow valley so it's always a crosswind that usually favors the up hill side of the strip. Of course it does. I had a lady friend and her two kids, better then half fuel, still feel stupid every time I think about it. I milked her for everything terrain flying ground effect plus for far longer then I had any right to.

Only once did I get her stuck with the big rubber, in some damp sandy grass on the edge of a abandoned cannery strip north of the Kvechak. Diamond J, or was it Nakeen? Lucky I had a stout lady with me, had her pushing on the wing strut and told her to watch the stab as it came around so it didn't clock her, blasted out of the hole and looked behind and there she is face down in the grass, I shut down and hop out fast as I can, did it hit you, no I fell first and then it went over me. Ah good times.

I banged her around some big cobble beaches, three to four inchers, some fairly soft dry sand, most of the pacific side beaches: Hollow bay, Pauly Bay, and others, nothing you couldn't land a 172 on with stock tires, until you can't, helped unstick and reprop everything up to a 185 on those beaches over the years. I always let my buddies land first and when I was out there solo I would drag soft first then come around and lay a little more, then a third time laying three times my landing length with more weight with a good eye for water in my previous tracks so I knew it was good to take off afterwords. Never f'n ever taxi off those tracks until walking it. Lost count of the birds taken by the waves wind and saltwater after a careless landing...

None of our toys are cheap but a beater straight tail, stock 0470, with the right additions gets the job done and to be honest there really isn't a more bang for the buck bird out there.

Rocket




South of King salmon but don't recall exactly, smoking volcanoes off in the distance. Frozen tundra is bumpy but firm.




This photo is from a rock hit I took, I saw it and meant to miss it, guess it was a little bigger then a soccer ball. There were girls on the beach...




This rock garden is at a favorite fishing stream, don't even ask, flew up this valley once in the spring and the wildflowers blew my mind...

Saw this on Barnstormers.

https://www.barnstormers.com/listing_im ... id=1694724


It has 26 inch ABW with an 8.5 tire on the nose. Nice looking set up - looks really badass. Not to thread drift but 160K for 1958 C182A. Without the tires, MT prop or jump seats. My heirs might break even on my C180 after I die. This is a nice looking airplane.



Josh

Another vote for the 800 nose, 850 mains. Been running this combo for 8 years now. I think someone said 22-25 hrs for install, no way - easy saturday afternoon project with the right tools and a knowledgeable helper. Best bet is to buy another tube though and you don't need to press apart the old one. Easy (relatively) to go back to small fork/wheels pants if you want for a long trip.

Mark Y. wrote:Another vote for the 800 nose, 850 mains. Been running this combo for 8 years now. I think someone said 22-25 hrs for install, no way - easy saturday afternoon project with the right tools and a knowledgeable helper. Best bet is to buy another tube though and you don't need to press apart the old one. Easy (relatively) to go back to small fork/wheels pants if you want for a long trip.

I misquoted the labor cost for the install. The total cost was 6500 dollars. I looked over the bill more closely and It was 8 total hours labor. The rest parts - Tires, tubes, nose assembly and the actual nose fork. The cost surprised me.


Josh

Dog is my Copilot wrote:

Mark Y. wrote:Another vote for the 800 nose, 850 mains. Been running this combo for 8 years now. I think someone said 22-25 hrs for install, no way - easy saturday afternoon project with the right tools and a knowledgeable helper. Best bet is to buy another tube though and you don't need to press apart the old one. Easy (relatively) to go back to small fork/wheels pants if you want for a long trip.

I misquoted the labor cost for the install. The total cost was 6500 dollars. I looked over the bill more closely and It was 8 total hours labor. The rest parts - Tires, tubes, nose assembly and the actual nose fork. The cost surprised me.


Josh

8 hr seems reasonable. Not only is there the nuts and bolts but also the paperwork. It all takes time.

Here is the setup our 182 has. 8.50-10’s x 8.50-6. It works great for everything except cross countries, but that’s another story. I bought the plane as is, so not sure about the install experience. It makes any landing surface a peach. The club I was previously in had an H model on 8’s and 8.50’s and I really liked that setup as well. The other difference on this machine is they put later gear (C-model I recall) under it, so the nose gear isn’t so awkward. Truth be told the reason I most like the big tires is the fact that I and my wife can finally walk under the wing (I’m 6-1, she’s 5-10) without being diamond imprinted. .

Anybody running Desser smoothies; 850 MLG & buffed 800 NLG? Less FOD thrown at tail and another inch+ of prop clearance. Currently out of stock until end of year- maybe.