NimpoCub wrote:I'm thinking (that happens sometimes) that if you rebuild your carb with new gasket (etc) materials that the alchohol won't be an issue. Since this is being forced down our throats, maybe some kind of proactive stuff would be better than whining?? If we're gonna have to use it, can we make it work??

tcraft wrote:Also after 60 days it won't work in an atv so not going to try in plane no matter what

courierguy wrote:I have a source here in Pocatello for 88 octane ethanol free mo gas for $3.82 per gallon. They have a big sign up bragging about it being ethanol free! I can no longer get it delivered from my old wholesaler, so I have rigged a 300 gallon tank to go get it.

if nothing else I know from my auto experience with the ScanGauge, your mileage drops on ethanol, in my Yaris from mid 40's and higher to low to mid 40s, so about 2 or 3 MPG. Other hypermiling geeks say the same.

ANYTHING with any kind of horsepower will flat detonate and or worse if u continually put ethanol thru it

jomac wrote:gasngrub on lincoln and woodruff in idaho falls, has clean 91 unleaded premium...for now...

tcraft wrote:Also after 60 days it won't work in an atv so not going to try in plane no matter what

OregonMaule wrote:

tcraft wrote:Also after 60 days it won't work in an atv so not going to try in plane no matter what

Come on...I have let E10 sit in stuff 6 months it still works for me. It could be the low clouds and drizzle in NW Oregon affects it in a positive way I guess.

180Marty wrote:Should really perform with the ethanol fuel instead of the lowly 87 octane E0.

This is why many who contend a btu is just a btu don’t recognize mileage benefits with ethanol.

Martin



I like your comment on Domestic Fuels. What my brother is saying here is correct in my view. We are in the final stages of reviewing data in which we simply took 3 each, 2011 vehicles to Mercedes Benz and complied with certification. It is a very complex issue but E30 did very nicely.



Some items I can share-

Particulate emissions went up when we didn’t increase the amount of aromatics but simply changed the distillation of aromatics. This is what Honda had demonstrated over a year ago and CARB went out of their way to discredit.



E30 performed very well. Not that E85 didn’t do good but the fuel flow and additional cooling effect limited some of the emission benefits. This is not due to the fuel as much as OEM’s don’t have to surpass emission requirements, just meet them.



I am seeing that the standard EPA procedures to change from fuel to fuel doesn’t allow vehicles to fully adapt, primarily the ignition. Emission control takes priority in short fuel trim and long term fuel trim can take over 40 miles. This is why many who contend a btu is just a btu don’t recognize mileage benefits with ethanol. People need to run two or three consecutive fills to make any judgment on mileage. We had two of three vehicles get equal mileage with E30 for the heavier of the three drive cycles. Driving habits do matter in all of this.



Take Care