cliff wrote:I have a 100 gallon fuel trailer. I need alcohol free 93 octane fuel for my 2 stroke Avid Flyer. I also like to use it in my mowers and other airport toys. Is 93 ok to run in my 180? I have been told by others that 87 octane is a better choice but I don't want to have to use to seperate fuel trailers. My 180 has an auto fuel stc and has an o470a engine.

NMXWinds wrote:I've also been running 91 octane in my 180 and can't tell the difference between that and avgas, except for the cost delta. Last time I tanked up I paid $3.40 per gallon. Price for E10 around here is about 90 cents per gallon cheaper. Pisses me off that they gouge you for ethanol-free, but it is still cheaper than avgas.

hotrod180 wrote:$3.40 for E-zero 87 mogas here, vs $5.80 homeboy price for 100LL.

Just wait until oil hits $100 again

Waterboy wrote:

hotrod180 wrote:$3.40 for E-zero 87 mogas here, vs $5.80 homeboy price for 100LL.

And oil is $42 dollars a barrel, hum I think we are getting screwed. When oil was $100 were we not paying the same price?

180Marty wrote:

Just wait until oil hits $100 again

Have you bought any paper oil yet? Months ago when it was going down I planned on buying some paper when it was $40 but it didn't quite get there before shooting back up to $60. Now it's getting close so I'm wondering. A mini is 500 barrels and 1,000 for a full contract. Worst case if oil goes to zero is a $40,000 loss. One thing nice about oil companies is, they are like a drug dealer. They know we are hooked and do whatever they want.

180Marty wrote:Sept crude ended today at $41.87 a barrel, the cheapest it's been in a long time. I just noticed gas went up at the stations here in town. 87 E10 is $2.649 and 87 E0 is $2.949. Yesterday at Orange City E10 87 was 70 cents less than 91 E0. Pretty interesting how they figure price.

In light of a refinery shutdown of the BP plant in Whiting, Indiana that produces 240,000-barrels-per-day, the Renewable Fuels Association President and CEO Bob Dinneen is asking the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to provide consumers relief at the pump. Late last week, gas prices jumped an average of 80 cents per gallon overnight in several states including Illinois, Michigan Indiana, Ohio, Missouri and Wisconsin as well as other states including Iowa.
BP refinery in Whiting, Indiana. Photo Credit: GasBuddy.com

BP refinery in Whiting, Indiana. Photo Credit: GasBuddy.com
“The Whiting refinery outage demonstrates, once again, the folly of relying too heavily on one source of motor fuel. It’s worth noting that the refinery represents just 6 percent of the Midwest region’s refining capacity (and just 1 percent of national refining capacity); yet retail gas prices in some Midwest markets have spiked by 50 cents per gallon or more,” said Dinneen. “This is exactly why we need to further diversify our nation’s fuel supply and allow more renewable fuels by removing arcane barriers erected by the oil companies and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Using more low-cost ethanol would absolutely help insulate consumers from these kinds of price shocks.”