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Yup.... Guy was pissed at the IRS,,, lit his house on fire,,,,,,, got in his cherokee 140 and stuffed it into the windows of the IRS building. This is going to set us pilots back 100 years now. [-o< [-o<
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Stol wrote:Yup.... Guy was pissed at the IRS,,, lit his house on fire,,,,,,, got in his cherokee 140 and stuffed it into the windows of the IRS building. This is going to set us pilots back 100 years now. [-o< [-o<


Wait...huh??

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Supreme Court rules against local airport, pilots not giving up
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By Cody Kitaura-Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:47 AM CST


The California Supreme Court handed down a ruling that could seal the fate of the Sunset Skyranch Airport.

The court ruled recently that Sacramento County wouldn’t need to do any kind of environmental review before denying a use permit for the small airport, which is on Grant Line Road.

The airport has been operating without a permit since 2006 when the Sacramento County Board of Supervisors voted against a renewal. They cited encroaching urban development and the Elk Grove Unified School District’s desire at the time to build an elementary school nearby.

Lanny Winberry, an attorney for the Sunset Skyranch Pilots Association, argued that because the county was grounding traffic at the airport to make way for future development, the environmental impact of that future development would need to be studied as a part of the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) requirements.

The court disagreed, saying in a statement, “projects rejected by a public agency are specifically exempted from CEQA requirements.”

Attorney John Taylor represented Sacramento-based Pappas Investments, which he said hopes to turn its property across the street from the airport into a housing development.

“The zoning there right now restricts the density to a very low level,” Taylor said in a phone interview. “(This ruling) allows them to request an increase in density from the city of Elk Grove.”

Taylor said while the housing market has slowed considerably since this issue was first raised in 2006, Pappas Investments is still likely to develop the area.

“I wouldn’t look for them to be doing that tomorrow,” he said.

Danny Lang, a pilot who practices law in Oregon, owns the airport. Lang could not be reached for comment as of press time.

Pilots considering applying for another permit

Sunset Skyranch Pilots Association president Kevin Cordes speculated the downturn in the housing market might have created political will for the county to let the airport stay, but in order to find out for sure, the pilots would have to reapply for a use permit from the county at a cost of $4,500.

“I’m going to stay until we can’t fly anymore,” he said. “I think there’s still a lot of potential. I’m still hopeful.”

Cordes said he might try to organize a pledge drive to raise money for the application fee.

He said there are about 45 pilots at the airport and 20 who fly often. He pointed out, while their airplanes could be easily relocated, it would be much harder to find a new place for their hangars, which the pilots own. Some are portable and can be towed, but others are permanent.

Cordes’ own hangar, which he said was a bargain at $9,000, is filled with tool chests, machinery, a dirt bike, a half-built kit airplane, and an office that he lived in for a year and a half when he first moved to Elk Grove. He said most of the items would fit in his garage at home.

Cordes and three other pilots met on Jan. 6 with Sacramento County Supervisor Don Nottoli, whose district includes the airport, to ask whether applying again for a use permit would be worthwhile.

Nottoli was the sole supervisor to vote in favor of the airport in 2006.

In a Jan. 5 interview, Nottoli said the pilots should “touch base with the board members who opposed it to see if there is any willingness (to reach a deal for) something on a shorter term.”

He said he hoped the county would “at a minimum, give more time for the people (at the airport) to look at their options.”
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Sorry, I should not have posted in this topic. I read the second post without reading the first, and came to the wrong conclusion about the topic. Moved my comments to: Austin TX...Here We Go!

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Yup.... Sorry guys, my mistake.. Some early reports were linking this guy to the loss of that airport... looks like no connection....

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Back to this thread.

All governments are way short of money. Tax revenues are down and spending is what spending is. If a tiny airport is in the way of development, then development will win cus money talks and bullshit walks.

The powers to be will always go for the option that gets them more money. We can slow the process down but we will not be able to stop it. My opinion. I still wright letters and try to slow it down.

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qmdv wrote: I still wright letters and try to slow it down.


I hope you have your wife proof-read them before you mail them. ;)
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1SeventyZ wrote:
qmdv wrote: I still wright letters and try to slow it down.


I hope you have your wife proof-read them before you mail them. ;)


Wright???

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Yup....This really sucks. It hits really close to home for me.

The ironic deal with Sunset Skyranch (also called Elk Grove Airport) is that it is a ONE WAY STRIP and all traffic comes in and goes out over the river to the southeast, not over the developing community. It is a neat little sleepy airport community, been there for many, many decades, and retains a character highly unlike the majority of CA public use GA airports. Our A&P is based there.

The real kicker is there is a guy that is about 4 miles away on the opposite side of the river (with a P-51, mind you :D ) that figures he will do the local aviation community a service by opening his Mustang Airport to public use, put in some hangars, etc. to replace the loss of Sunset Skyranch. The Eco Nazi's put him through the ringer, claiming his project would irrepairably harm a local bird rookery (which we fly in an out over into Sunset Skyranch) even though the proposed traffic pattern would take all low flying traffic away from the sanctuary. I believe he may have finally got his EIR adopted at a cost of hundreds of thousands in bird studies, noise studies, etc., but said screw it given the hatred the communists in SAC county have foisted upon GA, and the unlikelihood they would ever grant him a use permit. Instead they want everyone to go to the old Mather AFB which is a long ways out, and controlled by a contract high dollar FBO that really only wants the jet/Columbia/Cirrus crowd with their $20 "ramp fee".

They're still eyeing SAC Executive as the next $$$$ bailout......Mucho dinero in land under the airport environs..... Stay tuned.

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I got to talking to a buddy the other day about airport noise and something came to mind.

My last house down in SoCal (Fullerton, CA) was directly under the "Right Base" for 24. And on most mornings and calm wind, runway 6 is the preferred departure procedure. I lived in a townhouse which was located near the major intersection of Malvern and Gilbert.

What I'm getting at, is that I heard more noise from the traffic (loud Harleys, Sirens, and those loud street racer type cars) on these streets than I did from the aircraft in and out of the Fullerton airport.
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Yet, your general citizenry associates perfectly with all that other noise.

They love their Harley Davidson's (you can hear them coming from a half mile away, and you will hear them until they are a mile out)
They love and have no issues with sounding horns, smog, city noise, sirens, drunk driving or cellphone use during 80 MpH races on the highway, the idiotic snowmobile driver (drunk, drugged or both) racing through their backyard, barely missing trees, annoying the living crap out of everyone who still regards a Rotax Engine as a glorified lawnmower engine and they even put up with the noise of neighbors beating each other up, or occasional stabbings and shootings. Almost forgot the boats and speedboats, (drivers often under the influence) Jet Ski's skimming the surface of almost any lake/ river in perfect ignorance of "wake zones" , speed limits, noise regulations...

Contrary, would you show them this:
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...or some other well groomed business executive, telling the world what a success he is for flying a Cessna 400TT you would likely get a surprised shrug.
"Bunch of rich snobs" is the comment you may hear. It's the one hobby in the U.S. not everyone can do, even with the Sport Pilots Certificate, many won't pass the tests, drop out after the solo, or simply run out of money. They cannot differentiate between a 1946 J3 and a Cessna 400. For your average citizen they are all the same, expensive little toys.

If you own one, you must obviously have won the lottery, make a lot of money for being a company owner with no regard for the little working man.
Even though much of this is quickly changing, now that these citizens are blowing more and more airport candles out, we need a different attitude, and quickly.

Then there is Mr. Goldberg (and so many others, who remain unchallenged) who will have you groped by TSA at your small grass field, and even though we may discredit him as a charlatan, he appeals to those who generally look towards the Gumnit to fix their lives and finances for them. There are many of those, like it or not. My fear is that these attacks will continue, and their tone and style will change. I believe as long as your ordinary citizen (no offense!) views General and Business Aviation as reserved to an elitist few, we will continue to have headwind, and lots of it.
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JJBAKER wrote:They cannot differentiate between a 1946 J3 and a Cessna 400. .


Hahaha........ No kidding! Just last night I was looking at some pictures of my friends (JoeCub) Cub. My brother in law thought it was old. As in 1950's-60's old. I said no, he built it new within the last 10 years.
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