Ugly footage...

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/AT ... 511-1.html

Saw the dashboard camera footage on the tv news.
"Holy shit" seemed the only appropriate comment.
Amazing that anyone lived.

Looks like a VMC roll/stall spin

Did you wonder what happened to the taxi in front that took the wing through the roof? They all made it.

Nose up, high ROD, looks already stalled to me. Trying a "Sully"?

http://www.pprune.org/8852899-post15.html

Ho Lee Fuk and Sum Tin Wong got new job with Air Taiwan I see.

Looks like he tried to stretch the glide and clear the buildings and the bridge (almost). And he probably saved some lives in the process.

Stretching the glide only works at max LD or in ground effect. In fact, "stretching the glide" (pitching up to cause below max LD speed) is what gives the low altitude stall that occured. A good landing in a bad place is better than a bad landing in.............Mike

It is Very hard to tell from the video but it almost looks like he had already "stretched the glide" to clear the buildings. If he traded all his excess energy to stay level just long enough to clear the buildings he then didn't have enough altitude to regain energy for a second flair. What we saw may have been the best case scenario. We will probably never know.

Renegade wrote:It is Very hard to tell from the video but it almost looks like he had already "stretched the glide" to clear the buildings. If he traded all his excess energy to stay level just long enough to clear the buildings he then didn't have enough altitude to regain energy for a second flair. What we saw may have been the best case scenario. We will probably never know.

Thats what i was getting at. Well said.

People on board and on the ground complicate the emergency. When we lose an engine in the field spraying, we use the already developed kinetic energy of pressure airspeed to zoom up over the obstruction and lower the nose as necessary to not stall in any necessary turn to a suitable landing site. I expect he didn't mean to bank that much, which would mean he tried too hard to stay up and stalled or at least mushed it down. I expect he would have leveled the wing before touchdown, unless he had too little pressure airspeed on the wing and rudder.

If the right engine was still developing power, we might be looking at a Vmc roll, caused by trying to stretch the glide to get over the bridge.

Cary

It appears that he had an engine failure of his #1 engine. He should have been able to climb straight ahead on one engine. The torque trying to turn him left would have required immediate max rudder. He may have had other problems also.

Be careful out there

flyer

The aircraft was clearly below VMCA as it was in a stalled condition for the entire time in the video. This aircraft even with one engine flamed out flies perfectly fine if you follow the correct memory items and QRH checklist. I have my suspicions what went wrong on this one.

Pusher wrote:The aircraft was clearly below VMCA as it was in a stalled condition for the entire time in the video. This aircraft even with one engine flamed out flies perfectly fine if you follow the correct memory items and QRH checklist. I have my suspicions what went wrong on this one.

Like dead foot- dead engine?

Just for my two cents worth, and I know I'm the rookie in this group, but, I have been flying multi engine RC aircraft on and off for about 20 years, I don't just fly them, I wring them out, inverted, spins, independent right left throttles mixed with rudder, re kitted a few and was able to walk away and learn from my mistakes, love to here others gasp when I fly. It's pretty obvious that he was trying to clear the building, The mistake that I see is he never got the nose down or pulled the power on the running engine to regain control,(very counter intuitive) slow, nose up, one engine making power ends the same every time on a twin, a real bummer, my condolences to those who lost there lives and loved ones.

Pusher wrote:The aircraft was clearly below VMCA as it was in a stalled condition for the entire time in the video. This aircraft even with one engine flamed out flies perfectly fine if you follow the correct memory items and QRH checklist. I have my suspicions what went wrong on this one.

I'm with Pusher on this one.

I fly a twin turboprop transport category aircraft very similar to the ATR. Barring other failures, if you follow procedure in these aircraft it's darn near impossible to get into this situation. Very sad and bad day indeed.

The news is now saying both engines lost power.

Grassstrippilot wrote:The news is now saying both engines lost power.

You mean the news is saying that the pilot shut down the wrong engine....which meant they lost both!

Grassstrippilot wrote:The news is now saying both engines lost power.

the news says lots of things about airplane wrecks...

That is what I read as well. Right engine lost power, auto feathered and pilots shut left engine down. Its happened before. Unfortunate because I believe the ATR can climb fine on one engine. Identify verify....

Another thing I heard on another board is that they always failed the LEFT engine in their Sim training.