Anyone seen or had any experience comparing any of these 3. According to factory specs the Avid Magnum will take off shorter and climb stronger than the Highlander w/100hp Rotax.

Don't know how either would compare to 150-160hp supercub. Can't afford the cub, but am hoping to find a good, affordable substitute.

Gary

Gary are you thinking of building or just buying one ready to go?

gb

I think either buying one ready to go, or nearly ready to go. Doesn't seem that your time is worth anything when you build one. I am better off getting paid for my time, and buying the plane I like.

I really have a hankerin' to build something like a smith cub. I think the experimental route is the way to go on cub type aircraft. I don't have the expertise or a mentor to help me. If I did, I'd be all over it. Seems like you'd still have a good amount of money in it, but at least you could work on the damned thing yourself.

gb

gb

Well, I still have to work, so I don't have the time to buld one. I don't know the dif's in the cubs, but I know that is what Coyote Ugly, and his son have. And they sure do a good job. There is a pretty nice looking 150hp super cub on ebay right no that looks like it might be pretty reasonable.

Have to be aware of the diferent types of experimentals.

If I'm not mistaken, I think you can do pretty much whatever you want on these kit plaves, Avids, Highlanders, etc.????

I think you can work on it, but if you didn't build it, you have to get at least an A&P to annual it.

There are some really neat kit planes out there. Keep watching, you'll find one.

gb

Gary, I have seen one of the new Highlander kits up close, a guy in our EAA chapter is building one with the Jabiru engine. It appears to be a very well built kit and is well designed. There is a lot of tubing for crash structure in the cabin, it is obvious that attention was paid in that area. However, I don't honestly think it can be considered a "heavy duty" airplane like a Super Cub can.

If you are willing to go with a light "sport flying" type of airplane then I believe the Highlander is a decent choice, and judging by those famous Youtube vide3os it can really get in and out of short clearings. But if you are getting out of a big nasty 4WD Cessna 180 pick 'em up truck and expecting a smaller lighter airplane to give you that same solid feel you may not be happy with any of them.

I definitely will say without question that the Highlander kit looks to be far more sturdy and heavy duty compared to the Kitfox and early Avids. I cannot vouch for the Avid Magnum because I've never seen one up close.

Hi Gary,

Being biased and being that I am not interested in flaming type war I won't make a comparison of the cub sized buggies for you, sorry

But... if I may make a couple observations...

It sounds like you really want a cub
It sounds like you are close in budget to a cub
It sounds like you will be keeping your 180 which does most of what a cub will do

Does it really make sense to buy another airplane that will do most of what a cub will do?

Before anyone gets all wound up and tells me how great their highlandingransfox is, I say great... you machine is ions better than my stuper cub, but it will never be a supercub. This is much like the folks that choose to ride rice over American... If your V-star works for you, I say great! There is no need to try and convince me how much better it is than my Harleys, and I won't try and convince you otherwise, because you will never get it... (nor will I)

IMHO, at this point if you buy anything but a cub, the cub will always be in the back of your mind. On the other hand, if you buy a cub, that superhighlandingransfox will never once cross your mind. Here's more food for thought, neither ugly (sr. or jr.) is on their first cub, and either one of them could have picked up or built the latest, greatest, chainsaw powered econo wonder. For their needs and desires the cub just worked best... BTW, Joe's is a Smith and Coyotes is a CC. Both are 180hp and no, a 150 is not going to be the same... But a good 160 will be close

As gb pointed out, in this type of rig experimental is probably the way to go, but certified is probably going to be easier to unload if the need should ever arise...

Again IMHO, a C180 and a good cub is about as perfect as life could get! You are halfway there... I vote for holding out and buying the one you really want when the opportunity presents itself, after all you already have an airplane to fly!

Take care, Rob

In order... Coyote Ugly, Joecub, longhaired ag wannbe, lowflyin'G3

Rob wrote:Hi Gary,

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IMHO, at this point if you buy anything but a cub, the cub will always be in the back of your mind.

Take care, Rob

Actually, since I fly a Husky, the cub will always be at my six!

Sorry, couldn't resist

bumper wrote:

Rob wrote:Hi Gary,

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IMHO, at this point if you buy anything but a cub, the cub will always be in the back of your mind.

Take care, Rob

Actually, since I fly a Husky, the cub will always be at my six!

Sorry, couldn't resist

Damn it, boy!!

shortfielder wrote:There is a pretty nice looking 150hp super cub on ebay

Hey Gary, if your looking at a Cub, I think you might be happier with a 180hp. Especially in Co/Ut/Az during the summer months. It sounds like you have plenty of time to decide and I'm sure at some point Joe Sr and Jr might chime in here.

If I can afford another plane, my first choice would be a Scout. Second would be a 180hp Cub. Or if I still wanted a 4 place that can get into some of the rough tight strips that the Cub/Scout guy's get into, I'd look into a Maule.

Hey Rob

Your logic is right. I just have always had a problem with patience. I see a lot of places that I want to go into, but not with my 180. I thought maybe I could buy something I could go have some fun with now, and if I won the lottery, sell, and move up.



Pat

I agree with ya. But when I think 150, I'm thinking maybe you could massage a little extra power out of it, and still burn mogas.

And, isn't it about time you came down to checkout my playground(Ut)

Gary

shortfielder wrote:Pat
isn't it about time you came down to checkout my playground(Ut)

Gary

I would really enjoy coming down your way. I have lot's of free time right now, but I'm living on a very tight budjet right now until I get back to work in I hope Jan.

you've already got a better bird than those mentioned....i would consider a totally re-done 170B before i would do a rotax anything....do the 170B with a 360 cs prop...!

Gary, you're only about 3 or 4 posts away from being in a Maule.

1SeventyZ wrote:Gary, you're only about 3 or 4 posts away from being in a Maule.

LMAO!!

Zane, think your right,
Put the same amount of gas and the same load and a 235 Maule, takes 10' longer to land 20' longer to take off with the same load! goes 50 mph faster (If you want), cruises at 80 and uses the same amount of gas (if you want). You can take everything but the kitchen sink and someone with you and you don't have to put it thru that itty bitty door(if you want). Sounds like a Maule to me. Of course you cant call it a cub, And with a cub you never will go fast or take anymore than a back pack with you if you have someone in the pas. seat. And with a Maule you don't have to take that little button off your hat in case some one sneezes on the ground when you fly over them.
But it will never be a cub! Get an old M4 with a 210 or a 220 Franklin in it and go land in those little narrow places where a cub can't go. I can show you a place where the Moose grow big horns and a cub has yet to get within 4 miles of there!
But alas it will never be a CUB?
GT

The folding wing birds have narrow chord wings in order to be highway legal when folded. This is the price you pay for folding wings, it may be worth it in some configurations, but lets compare apples to apples here. A SC chord is at least 12" deeper, a lot more sq ft.

Ok... so you suckered me in did I hear someone say "fish on" ???

Bumper you're evil Actually I had thought about suggesting a dog bird, as a friend of mine has one for sale pretty cheap *I think*... but alas, I came to my senses... a cheap dog bird is no cheaper than a cheap cub, and the word "cub" specifically appears in the thread title... I do think the dog is pretty much a great compromise between a c-180 and a cub, if you don't need the two extra seats.. I also know, that by the time you hang PA18 gear, and bushwheels on a dog, and add a 180hp and constant speed prop to a cub, you have to equally matched birds in the speed dept. One of our members (who appears to have a limitless supply of aviation spending units) has done just this...

The internet.... what a wild and wooley place.... I truly expected to get a rise out of the light airplane crowd for suggesting that Gary just hold out and buy the airplane he is admittedly trying to substitute...
You know the deal...total arm waving, my pee pee is bigger than yours, my wizz bang lands in 12' while shooting fire out of it's azz, and carrying 37 dead moose... the whole shebang...
I even included a disclaimer suggesting that I am convinced all light weight, wizz bang fold ups, are superior to cubs... apparently forgetting to include the Mule in that category was a mistake

M6RV6 , I didn't in my wildest dreams, imagine that a fellow that drives a Cessna 195 and truly enjoys it (which I will go ahead now and say is very high on my "must own before I die" list) would have trouble with the concept of buying something just because it is what you really want, and not much else is going to "be the same" Regardless of how it stacks up to the competition.... Either I am misunderstanding your post, or you have missed my point completely. And by your logic, you must immediately cash out on your 195 and purchase a Bonanza, 182, or Warrior, or some such nonsense, because they will undoubtedly do everything better than your current machine

Gary,
Sorry if I have misinterpreted your question, hijacked, or mislead your thread: Avid Magnum vs. Highlander vs. Supercub

Carry on....

Gary, most would give a nut for what you have.

Tim