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Baja

It was my wife's birthday so we went to Baja! We haggled for some days off, loaded up the plane and off we went.

Our route took us just past these sand storms in southern Arizona. We were just above the dust layer.

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After landing in Guaymas, to clear customs and get fuel, we headed out over the sea of Cortez. 70 miles of water but only 40 minutes flying time.

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Next stop was Mulege, you can see the strip just this side of the river. A sleepy little place with not much tourism. One of the few places in Baja with a river running out to the coast.

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A few days later we ran up the coast a few miles to check out a beach at Punta Chivato.

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We wanted to go whale watching so fired it up the next day and crossed the mountains in the middle of the peninsular, some as high as 5000 ft. It was bumpy too but a beautiful flight.

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Before we landed at the lagoon, we checked out this trip at Campo Rene'. You can see the strip along side the beach just near the settlement. We taxied through the gate and shut down for a walk along the beach.

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It was time to go whale watching in Laguna San Ignacio so we popped across the bay and caught sight of these sand dunes along the way. Spectacular!

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Here is the strip at the laguna.

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Into a boat and 10 minutes later, whales! They were everywhere.

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Unfortunately, time was running out so we headed back to Mulege to digest our day's adventure.
Two days later we headed down to Loreto to clear out and get fuel. On the way down we went past this sweet protected bay with some sail boats anchored there. Sailing is high up on my list for future things to learn and do.

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Loreto to Tucson was 3 hours and we had about 8 knots on the nose.
Everything went smoothly. People were friendly. The paperwork bureaucracy went without a hitch.
There is so much to explore in Baja and we barely scratched the surface. There are strips all over the place and the Maule just ate 'em up!
We are going back for sure. Perhaps this fall.
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Excellent trip report and thank you for sharing!

It looks like it will be the first of many trips south of the border.
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Thank you for that. Love Baja!!
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How was hotel serinidad?
Camped at that bay around New Years a few months back - it's called Bahia de conception
I drive baja often, looking forward to flying it !
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29singlespeed wrote:How was hotel serinidad?
Camped at that bay around New Years a few months back - it's called Bahia de conception
I drive baja often, looking forward to flying it !


The Serenidad was fine, we actually stayed at a place just down the road. The last picture is from flying over Bahia de Conception on the way to Loreto.
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Nice report :D I haven't been down since 2002 or 03 can you run by us the filing procedures for going down and coming back? I'm planning a trip to Alfonsina's in April.
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Glidergeek wrote:Nice report :D I haven't been down since 2002 or 03 can you run by us the filing procedures for going down and coming back? I'm planning a trip to Alfonsina's in April.


It's easy. File two DVFR flight plans with FSS, one for your outbound and one for return. Put ADCUS in the remarks section.
Go on to the CBP site and set up a eAPIS account. You will need to submit an outbound manifest and inbound manifest. It's pretty clumsy the first time you do one but gets quicker after you get the hang of it. Print your eAPIS submissions and take them with you.

Buy a CBP decal for your plane. Get Mexican liability insurance.
Open your outbound flight plan upon departure, you won't close it, it will go away when entering Mexico.

Call FSS radio when approaching the ADIZ and update them of your crossing time and ETA to your destination while opening your return flight plan with them.
If you are going to arrive more than an hour either side of the time you filed in your eAPIS then have FSS call customs for you and revise your eta with them.

The Mexican side of things was the usual procedure of running around getting stamps and paying fees. It was easy though and everyone was friendly. You can pay for fuel with a credit card in most bigger airports. The 'Comandante' will file your flight plan for you but you don't need to close it.
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Glidergeek wrote:Nice report :D I haven't been down since 2002 or 03 can you run by us the filing procedures for going down and coming back? I'm planning a trip to Alfonsina's in April.


Rez provided a good summary. These two organizations both provide tons of current information about flying into Mexico, including checklists and charts. The second also produces a book that's about as close to an AFD for Mexico as you can get.

http://www.bajabushpilots.com/
http://www.caribbeanskytours.com/
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Thanks both of you, I've got the customs sticker on the plane, registered with eAPIS, waiting for my slow poke insurance broker to forward both my policies for the Skywagon my glider and Mexican insurance. I'm a member of Baja Bush pilots. I know I got to unload my guns and ammunition out of the plane.

I've done this a dozen times 10 years ago, they weren't using eAPIS when I did it last time.
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Glidergeek wrote:Thanks both of you, I've got the customs sticker on the plane, registered with eAPIS, waiting for my slow poke insurance broker to forward both my policies for the Skywagon my glider and Mexican insurance. I'm a member of Baja Bush pilots. I know I got to unload my guns and ammunition out of the plane.

I've done this a dozen times 10 years ago, they weren't using eAPIS when I did it last time.


I got lots of information from baja bush pilots especially current conditions of the strips and Mexican rules and regulations. It's also useful to check with them for fuel availability.

The eAPIS is a pain but not bad to wade through it all. The reason that you want to print out your submitted manifests is so that, if the CBP computer malfunctions, you then have proof of the submission. I asked the guys at Tucson if we still needed to call for arrival notice if we had a confirmed submission. Their answer was that technically you do not but they prefer a phone call with notice of your arrival, I did this the night before I left home.

Have fun in April, we expect a write up from you too!
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Rezrider wrote:The eAPIS is a pain but not bad to wade through it all. The reason that you want to print out your submitted manifests is so that, if the CBP computer malfunctions, you then have proof of the submission. I asked the guys at Tucson if we still needed to call for arrival notice if we had a confirmed submission. Their answer was that technically you do not but they prefer a phone call with notice of your arrival, I did this the night before I left home.


eAPIS isn't bad. True. Do *not* forget to do it though. The rules have American and United sized fines ($5,000 a pop) for not doing it. I expect you could easily talk yourself out of the first one (ask me how I know). Probably gets harder after that and CBP, IMHO, has some sort of screening process designed to filter our emotionally stable people in favor of the power hungry.

As for the phone call, I agree that making the call is a good idea. Write down the name of the person you spoke with. Also, I have never been able to find a catalog that said what the CBP procedures are for given airports. Some require you to deplane and walk into the facility, some have rules strictly requiring you to stay in the plane. When you make your call you can ask the process for that airport.
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Yes our customs guys can vary wildly in temperament. In Nogalas, I just hand my passport through the airplane window and he takes the Customs form (get spares when you walk in, fill them out in advance) and on I go. In Key west the Customs Agent reached and grabbed his pistol butt when I opened the airplane door, then he screamed for me to stay in the airplane.

If you want single event Mexican Insurance, you can always do the Mexicard with Macafee an Edwards:
http://www.macafeeandedwards.com/agent.htm You pay by the crossing, vice six month policy. Also, if you do multiple trips, you can get a single entry, 6 month or annual permit for flights in Mexico (this is your flight permit for flying in Mexico). Not expensive, but you need copies of everything:
CofA, Registration, Insurance, Radio Station Licence, Pilot's Licence, Medical, Radio Telephone Operators Licence. If your aircraft is owned by an LLC or Corporation, a Notarized Statement, signed by an Officer of the Corporation or LLC allowing you to operate the aircraft in Mexico along with a Weight & Balance, a copy of the picture page of your passport may be required as well. You can't have too much paper in Mexico.

You will have to check in at the ramp with the military, they just want your pilot's license number, tail number and where you left from. You then need to check in with Immigration (fill out a landing card) they stamp your passport and your flight plan closure form (you get a stub from the landing card you need to keep and surrender on exit)). Then Customs, who may want to look in the plane, have a dog sniff the plane and check your luggage, or they may just stamp your flight plan closure form and wave you on, then its off to locate the SCA guys, they record your landing for fee purposes you pay on exit. Then off to the DGAC (comandante) to do the final stamp and sign the form, which you pass on to the flight services desk, which I guess will close your flight plan, about 10-60 minutes after you land. All this repeats on exit, with turning in the flight plan being the last step again, but you pay the fees with the SCA dude or dudette (who occasionally take a credit card).

You may want to write your pilot's license number on your hand. In addition to all the forms, each stop has a clipboard that the person records exactly the same information the other person just wrote on another clipboard, with your tail number and pilot's license are required. If you say your tail number using a phonetic alphabet, you may get a deer in the headlights look from whom you give it to. Get used to saying it in spanish, even poorly is better than the phonetic alphabet. Again, while using the airport identifier would be logical of where you departed or are going to, logic is not the rule in Mexico, just say the town's name. All airports seem to be named after Generalissimo Iguana Sierra Madre or the like, the name of which nobody seems to know and they act surprised when you point to the enormous bust/plaque/statue bearing the name of the airport and a likeness of the named General. Be attentive of little details, like the ICAO identifier for Hermosillo is MMHO, while the national one is HMO, somebody is dyslectic down there. While all this paperwork seems intimidating along with folks compulsively filling out clipboards, finding scanners that never seem to work and staring at computer, apparently not getting any sense out of what they are reading. They are all unbelievably good natured about it all, even if you screw it all up. I have landed gone in found nobody, gone back tied down the airplane, unloaded, left all the bags in the customs area gone to the café and had lunch. They all tracked me down there, shared coffee and went on to do the paperwork dance.

Bring your own tie downs. Fuel early, like when you arrive. You may not find the guy when you need to leave. Always get spare forms, fill them out in advance. Keep copies of everything in a folder. If you have more paper then them, you win. Sunshades for the windows are an excellent idea, most of northern Mexico could easily be referred to as a desert. Being a desert, it is dusty, really dusty. Bring water to rinse off the dust on your windshield and some paper towels to wipe it clean. Extra oil is a good idea, you may not find it, or your special kind in a timely manner should you need some.

Just to make my life more pleasant, eApis (ours) decided that I needed to change my password, and wouldn't let me log in at the last minute. After a tense 30 minutes of poking around the web page, I noticed a link, very inconspicuous, to reset your password. You click it, fill in your new desired password, which is required to have a slew of special characters, caps & numbers designed to make it impossible to remember (mine is now something like $$MxCiptle45). You then eventually get an email with a special code to use after you log in to reset your password to the new string of gibberish. WRITE IT DOWN, with all the other stuff, like your decal number, pilot's license number and passport number and keep it in the folder I mentioned.

Always have some spare change, there will nearly always be somebody wanting to carry your bags into the airport or out to the plane, you need to tip them. You can get your plane washed while you do what you came to do in Mexico. Usually about $20-25, depending on the airport.
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Great information guys. I would love to fly to Mexico for hunting and fishing, being as close as I am. But to say I'm a bit nervous would be an understatement. First, I don't speak Spanish. Second, Mexico is the only country I've hunted where I was intentionally shot at, but that's a story for a different time.

So, I've finally decided to go back to Mexico to hunt mule deer again in the state of Sonora. 10% of me would love to fly down in the 185. But I have a few questions for you guys that fly Mexico a lot.

1. With the proper permits I can take my hunting rifle/ammo into Mexico when I fly commercially, at least I have in the past. Can I take them in my private plane?

2. Should the 10% of me win out, is my 185 safe in Mexico while I'm away on a hunt?

3. Assuming yes to the first two questions should I even consider it since I don't speak Spanish?
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Barnstormer wrote:Great information guys. I would love to fly to Mexico for hunting and fishing, being as close as I am. But to say I'm a bit nervous would be an understatement. First, I don't speak Spanish. Second, Mexico is the only country I've hunted where I was intentionally shot at, but that's a story for a different time.

So, I've finally decided to go back to Mexico to hunt mule deer again in the state of Sonora. 10% of me would love to fly down in the 185. But I have a few questions for you guys that fly Mexico a lot.

1. With the proper permits I can take my hunting rifle/ammo into Mexico when I fly commercially, at least I have in the past. Can I take them in my private plane?

2. Should the 10% of me win out, is my 185 safe in Mexico while I'm away on a hunt?

3. Assuming yes to the first two questions should I even consider it since I don't speak Spanish?


Just go, it'll be fine. Don't worry about Spanish, I can't speak it either. Those folks down there have seen gringos flying their own planes around for years. You won't be the first one and you won't be the last. They ask you for all types of papers and you just give it to them.
Everyone was very friendly, courteous and polite. But know the procedures and be prepared with all of your paperwork.

As far as the guns I think you can do it, check with Baja bush pilots for details, but those guys go hunting down there all the time.
Inquire about parking/storage for your 185 and perhaps offer to pay for 'private security' if you are worried about it.
Have fun, tell us how it went when you return.
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Spanish, don't need no stinking spanish, well some is nice. My Spanish is laughable, but since I speak Italian, I get by with comical results. As we said, they are extremely easygoing about it all. I park my 185 there for weeks, nobody bothers it. There are 4 guys walking around the ramp wearing camo and toting H&K G3's 24/7, I suppose it could be safer, but I'm not sure how. There are only so many fields you can land in Sonora. Due to Narco traffic, many have been restricted. So plan on landing in like Hermosillo and driving out. I go out on the Yaquai River, about 3 hours out of Hermosillo. My mine guard shoots a deer a week and we all get venison jerky for a few days. It took over a year to get a gun permit for the mine. I have no idea what a sporting permit would be, you can call one of the many Mexican consulates in the US and inquire. They are fairly strict on guns and ammo, even expended brass. All being said, there is a form and a procedure for everything there.

Being shot at, I've been shot at intentionally in California, north of Sagus doing some mapping for a geo project, drunks & guns.

As for fun, this last trip I brought the old "Treasure of Sierra Madre" movie on the computer and showed it to the crew. They loved it, watched it two nights in a row. "Burro, Burro!" they would laughingly say all day after it. The average Joe there speaks little or no english, Sonoran Spanish vaguely resembles the rest of the language. They use a lot of local colloquialisms. They make fun of themselves a lot over it. However, you will need to get a vehicle, and possibly a guide, driver, you can get a translator with the deal, not expensive at all. Besides they will carry and clean your kill.

Go, you will not regret it. The food is great, people friendly and the women are worth watching. Sonora has a high percentage of women worth viewing, unusually high percentage of northern Europeans settled there to mine. The Sonoran backcountry is quite beautiful, with plentiful game and photographable wildlife. I always take my long lens and get a few decent shots every trip.

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dogpilot wrote:You may want to write your pilot's license number on your hand.


lol! Yeah, you've definitely done this before!

I don't know my phone number in Mexico, but I know my pilot license number!
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dogpilot wrote:Go, you will not regret it.


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I've been dyin to make this trip too, Baja has provided some of the best times of my life, I bet flying there is incredible. Thanks for sharing your trip Rezrider, awesome TR ;)

Guess I'll have to quite being a bitch and make a flight down there sooner than later. I fly the border daily so it bothers me I haven't learned the ropes of international flying.

Barnstormer, u should call Hunter Ross bout Sonoran Mulies, he outfitted down there for a long time and knows all the ins and outs. He quit going a few years back for various reasons. Hope u get a "wide one" haha

Maybe we should have a BCP Baja BCP Fly-in sometime???
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Barnstormer wrote:Great information guys. I would love to fly to Mexico for hunting and fishing, being as close as I am. But to say I'm a bit nervous would be an understatement. First, I don't speak Spanish. Second, Mexico is the only country I've hunted where I was intentionally shot at, but that's a story for a different time.

So, I've finally decided to go back to Mexico to hunt mule deer again in the state of Sonora. 10% of me would love to fly down in the 185. But I have a few questions for you guys that fly Mexico a lot.

1. With the proper permits I can take my hunting rifle/ammo into Mexico when I fly commercially, at least I have in the past. Can I take them in my private plane?

2. Should the 10% of me win out, is my 185 safe in Mexico while I'm away on a hunt?

3. Assuming yes to the first two questions should I even consider it since I don't speak Spanish?


Hey Barnstormer, if you need a copilot that's 52 times in Mexico, speaks the language, can clean windshields, fuel airplanes, hunts, pays his way, and keep you awake due to verbal diarrhea, I am available. Plus, you can use my cane for self defense, if needed!

On a serious note, I have hunted in Mexico, and in every case I had the outfitter take care of the gun and ammo permits. Mexicans are very finicky about bringing guns into the country, but they are used to hunters bringing in sporting rifles for hunting. Just don't try to bring in a handgun. As everyone with Mexican experience has mentioned, it's all about having the right paperwork with all the "i"s dotted and "t"s crossed. The outfitters have a lot of experience with this, so there should be no problem.

As to security for the 185, there should be no problem if left at a major airport, and a major airport is one that has security.

Spanish, who needs Spanish. You speak the universal language, plus you can have me along, and I pay my way!! Seriously though, you can get by not speaking Spanish. Most Americans flying into Mexico do not.
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Good to see some activity for those that fly in Mexico. The posts here are pretty accurate and won't lead anybody astray. With no hunting/gun experience in Mexico, my $.02 is that your outfitter can furnish rifles or advise you on importing. Do not bring even one bullet without it being totally legal.

As far as plane security is concerned, the larger the airport the better your chances. With that being said, based on personal experience, I would definitely disable MY plane to prevent anybody from flying off with it. Cessnas seem to be the most at risk for theft, but I haven't heard of any planes being stolen recently in Baja but I am sort of out of the loop since selling my plane in '12. Locks are a mere inconvenience to a thief and won't stop them.

I agree with others that the eApis requirement is just annoying and after figuring the procedure out AND keeping your log in/account info with you at all times, is not a big deal.

So, go and have fun and please post your trip adventure so we landlubbers can enjoy your flying.
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