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Beach Airport in Oregon? It's a possibility under state law.

Abe wrote:This thread is a great way for me to put out a notice to you Oregon Pilots that Oregon Pilots Association (OPA) is putting together a backcountry committee to help keep places like this and other backcountry strips open and safe for all GA pilots to use and enjoy like any other responsible outdoor recreational group. With the encouragement of Dennis Smith, OPA President, we are asking for volunteers from each of Oregon's 5-regions to form this 7-member committee and work on issues just like the one this thread is addressing. We have had one pilot already throw his name into the hat and will be looking forward to others. So we won't have to reinvent the wheel, I have been in contact with the IAA and the RAF, and both said that they would be willing to meet with us this spring and give us some guidance. Does anyone know if the Wash. Pilots Assoc. has a similar group, as I want to get them involved in this also? The next issue of OPA's Prop Wash will have an article on this, but this was a great opportunity to get this out to everyone.

And having been to the Alvord hot springs many times, it is a great place to visit and enjoy.

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Seeing the message from Bill above reminded me of a provision in the Oregon Revised Statutes that would allow for the creation of a beach landing landing zone/airport in Oregon similar to Copalis Beach in Washington. The relevent statutes are posted below:

ORS 836.510 - Use of certain ocean beaches as landing fields.

Except as permitted under ORS 836.520, no person shall use for a landing field for aircraft any part of the Oregon shore of the Pacific Ocean between high and low tide, commonly known as the “beach,” and which by law has been made a state recreation area, except for an emergency. [Formerly 492.780]

ORS 836.515 - Petition to set aside shore as landing field.

Any person, municipality or municipal corporation desiring to use for a landing field for aircraft any part of the Oregon shore of the Pacific Ocean described in ORS 836.510 shall petition the State Aviation Board to set aside and designate a particular area of the shore for a landing field for aircraft. The petition shall clearly describe the area sought for such purpose and shall contain information giving the type and number of aircraft which will use such field, the extent to which and the purpose for which such field shall be so used, together with such other information as the board may require. Before the petition is filed with the board it shall be approved in writing by the Oregon Department of Aviation. [Formerly 492.790]

ORS 836.520 - Action on petition; order setting aside area for landing field; user permits; revocation of order or permit.

The State Aviation Board shall give due consideration to each petition submitted under ORS 836.515, and may in its discretion order a public hearing in the vicinity in which it is proposed to establish the landing field, at which hearing all persons interested may appear and be heard. If after due consideration the board is of the opinion that the best interests of the general public will be served by granting the petition, an order may be made which shall be entered in the minutes of the board. The order shall provide that the described area shall be set aside as a landing field for aircraft and the order may authorize the issuance of a permit to the applicant to use the field for said purpose. The permit shall contain such conditions and safeguards with respect to policing and other matters incident to the public welfare as the board deems proper for the safety of the general public. The board may, for a violation of any of the terms or conditions of the permit, recall and cancel the same. The board may in its discretion vacate the order setting aside the area for a landing field whenever in the judgment of the board the interests of the general public warrant such action. [Formerly 492.800]


I think it would be a great addition to the State of Oregon if we had a beach recreational airport with maybe some camping or hiking. It might be a really great project for this new Oregon Pilot's Association Back Country Committee to take on. Perhaps find a friendly local municiplaity that would like to see some economic development and get them on board? Or maybe look at places that are otherwise mostly inaccessable to avoid conflicet with other users? Whatever the strategy, if a good plan was put forth the statutes do make a provision for an Oregon beach airport. It sure would be fun to fly to the beach and have a campfire and watch the waves roll in on a nice summer day.
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Re: Beach Airport in Oregon? It's a possibility under state

Some of the Oregon beaches are the most prime landing zones I've ever walked upon. I might be a pessimist, but I think the chances of getting this to happen are remote, despite the cited ORS regs.

What exactly would we propose? I feel more and more like we're in a bizarro world where people fear airplanes. It reads like the "landing field" would have to provide access to some adjacent property or zone that benefits by access from the shore. How does Copalis exist as the only beach airport in the country? I imagine the WA state beach usage regs read similar to ours. What was special about that site?

I'd love to see this happen, but it would take a highly strategic plan to pull it off.
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Re: Beach Airport in Oregon? It's a possibility under state

I would do what I could to support this....but the state is trying to close airports (Pacific City) because of lack of funding.
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Zzz wrote:How does Copalis exist as the only beach airport in the country? I imagine the WA state beach usage regs read similar to ours. What was special about that site?


It's been there for many decades, was taken over by the Washington State DOT in the 60s. So not sure it offers any useful reference point on how to get a new one in Oregon.

I agree, it seems unlikely anyone could get a new beach airport approved today, what with liability, environmental, and who knows what other issues would be raised.
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I think if we purpose it in an area that already allows motorized vehicles on the beach, we would have a better chance. What would be the most beneficial location. North bend, Florence, Newport?
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Re: Beach Airport in Oregon? It's a possibility under state

I doubt you'd get approval to land on a beach that has motor vehicles operating on it-- that'd (kinda) be like landing on a road, and we all know that in most places that's a don't ask/don't tell sort of operation.
The powers-that-be (them again!) recently banned horseback riding on the Dungeness Spit (part of Dungeness National Wildlife Refuge) near Sequim WA. Hiking however is still allowed. I'm not sure that horses have more of an impact on the wildlife other than the size of their turds and their footprints, maybe that's enough in itself, but it kind of is an indicator to me that something like approval for a new beach airstrip would be a helluva uphill fight-- regardless of how low-impact it would be.
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Re: Beach Airport in Oregon? It's a possibility under state

hahaha, good luck. I'll bet anyone a $100 it will never happen. The state is closing airports. I can give you dozens of reasons why Oregon will never let this happen. Sorry to be negative.

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Re: Beach Airport in Oregon? It's a possibility under state

If will surely never happen if we don't try. But you are probably right.
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Kitfox5 wrote:If will surely never happen if we don't try. But you are probably right.

You working on this Kitfox5??
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I was hoping that the newly formed OPA backcountry committee might take a look at this (when it gets up and rolling).
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I started by going here:
http://www.blm.gov/or/plans/rmpswestern ... mments.php
and filling out the survey and then sending an email to [email protected] explaining the need for aviation to be apart of the new plan. The backcountry committee will also be a good avenue to push this topic.

Oregonmaule, I wanted to meet up with this morning at 7S9, but fog is back in the southern valley AGAIN!
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Kitfox5 wrote:I started by going here:
http://www.blm.gov/or/plans/rmpswestern ... mments.php
and filling out the survey and then sending an email to [email protected] explaining the need for aviation to be apart of the new plan. The backcountry committee will also be a good avenue to push this topic.

Oregonmaule, I wanted to meet up with this morning at 7S9, but fog is back in the southern valley AGAIN!


Copy the fog. If it lifts here I may a rip to Pacific City for lunch. Not sure yet.

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Kitfox5 wrote:I started by going here:
http://www.blm.gov/or/plans/rmpswestern ... mments.php
and filling out the survey and then sending an email to [email protected] explaining the need for aviation to be apart of the new plan. The backcountry committee will also be a good avenue to push this topic.

Oregonmaule, I wanted to meet up with this morning at 7S9, but fog is back in the southern valley AGAIN!


Is this the link you were after? http://www.blm.gov/or/plans/rmpswesternoregon/
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Kitfox5 wrote:I started by going here:
http://www.blm.gov/or/plans/rmpswestern ... mments.php
and filling out the survey and then sending an email to [email protected] explaining the need for aviation to be apart of the new plan. The backcountry committee will also be a good avenue to push this topic.

Oregonmaule, I wanted to meet up with this morning at 7S9, but fog is back in the southern valley AGAIN!


Copy the fog. If it lifts here I may a rip to Pacific City for lunch. Not sure yet.

Cheers


If you guys are around MMV about 3 stop buy. I thought I might fly out to where straight tail is working.
I haven't landed there yet but it looks fun, farmers field, over tall power lines and stop before the railroad tracks.
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Terry wrote:If you guys are around MMV about 3 stop buy. I thought I might fly out to where straight tail is working.
I haven't landed there yet but it looks fun, farmers field, over tall power lines and stop before the railroad tracks.


Did you do it?
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Re: Beach Airport in Oregon? It's a possibility under state

You are right on track Kitfox5 and Cub271 regarding what can and should be done. I just got off the phone with with another pilot from Ashland who is very willing be help out. I'm hoping for a 7-member group and right now we have had 4-pilots step forward, so it's coming together and I'm elated with the willingness =D> of this group so far. It will take awhile to get our feet on the ground, but we hope to cut a few corners by learning from some of our other neighboring GA groups with similar concerns. BCP is a great pilot base with an immense amount of knowledge that we will be drawing on as we progress forward.

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Re: Beach Airport in Oregon? It's a possibility under state

what is it about airplanes that make people automaticly say "NO" to anything aviation related.. it's almost like guns. when it comes to landing anywhere but at a paved airport it is immediately assumed there's some sort of violation of law. can you drive a car or any other vehicle on the beach in Oregon?? just asking..same thing here in So Kal... land on a dry lakebed in the back country here in San Diego County and you're liable to get arrested but a thousand dirt bikes and dune buggies can do donuts on lakebeds all day long...not to mention all the car commercials that seem to love skidding around on lakebeds... :shock:
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iceman wrote: can you drive a car or any other vehicle on the beach in Oregon??


Yes: but not all beaches. Speed limit is 25MPH so that messes up airplanes. Helicopters should be ok. What do I know though.

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Terry wrote:If you guys are around MMV about 3 stop buy. I thought I might fly out to where straight tail is working.
I haven't landed there yet but it looks fun, farmers field, over tall power lines and stop before the railroad tracks.


Did you do it?


I did, something about landing where there are no paint marks that makes it all the more fun.
Kept an eye out for ya on the way back from PC.
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