Prosaria wrote:

gbflyer wrote:I have always been referred to 2. on this list:

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/he ... ies/parks/

Would it hold water? I have no idea. The Rangers I’ve talked to take it as gospel. Never felt like testing it. Really nothing there I need to stop and look at anyway.

Edited to say that it would be interesting to have a definitive answer. 43 CFR 36.11(f)(1) speaks to the subject in general, also acknowledging special agency restrictions and prohibitions. Maybe one of the NPS folks on here could ferret - out a real answer.

43 CFR basically says you can use aircraft, except where prohibited and such prohibitions must be NOTAM'd and published in the Alaska Supplement.

The Glacier Bay NP "Compendium" has park specific rules and includes the following:

2.17(a)(1) Aircraft operation: Superseded by 43 CFR 36.11(f)(1).
2.17(a)(2) Aircraft operation near docks, piers, swimming beaches and other designated areas: No areas prohibited at present. Aircraft access to the Public Use Dock in Bartlett Cove is permitted. See also 13.1122 regarding dock use restrictions.

https://www.nps.gov/locations/alaska/upload/glba-compendium-2018.pdf

The FAA link above seems to just be an advisory which is incorrect. I think I recall there was at one time a restriction on beach landings, but I can't find any regulatory evidence that it still exists.

I read that also. The local Rangers don’t really understand wheel planes, everything is geared around floats, which is how the interpretation is applied. There was a wheel plane doing some landings 3-4 years ago. They raced down to the airport with pictures and questioned everyone they could find. Small N - numbers I guess.

I would imagine you’d win, and honestly I should write the superintendent a letter and get an official determination. He’s a good guy and will follow the law.

gbflyer wrote:

Prosaria wrote:

gbflyer wrote:I have always been referred to 2. on this list:

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/he ... ies/parks/

Would it hold water? I have no idea. The Rangers I’ve talked to take it as gospel. Never felt like testing it. Really nothing there I need to stop and look at anyway.

Edited to say that it would be interesting to have a definitive answer. 43 CFR 36.11(f)(1) speaks to the subject in general, also acknowledging special agency restrictions and prohibitions. Maybe one of the NPS folks on here could ferret - out a real answer.

43 CFR basically says you can use aircraft, except where prohibited and such prohibitions must be NOTAM'd and published in the Alaska Supplement.

The Glacier Bay NP "Compendium" has park specific rules and includes the following:

2.17(a)(1) Aircraft operation: Superseded by 43 CFR 36.11(f)(1).
2.17(a)(2) Aircraft operation near docks, piers, swimming beaches and other designated areas: No areas prohibited at present. Aircraft access to the Public Use Dock in Bartlett Cove is permitted. See also 13.1122 regarding dock use restrictions.

https://www.nps.gov/locations/alaska/upload/glba-compendium-2018.pdf

The FAA link above seems to just be an advisory which is incorrect. I think I recall there was at one time a restriction on beach landings, but I can't find any regulatory evidence that it still exists.

I read that also. The local Rangers don’t really understand wheel planes, everything is geared around floats, which is how the interpretation is applied. There was a wheel plane doing some landings 3-4 years ago. They raced down to the airport with pictures and questioned everyone they could find. Small N - numbers I guess.

I would imagine you’d win, and honestly I should write the superintendent a letter and get an official determination. He’s a good guy and will follow the law.

For several years, I took my floatplane down to Wonder Lake for lunch on floats. The day before I always called the Superintendant or Chief Ranger to let them know what I was doing. It kept the Rangers from disrupting lunch, it made the statement that it was open, and it got on record that the lake was being used by seaplanes. If anyone in government decided to close it, we could document that it was being used, and I have photos,

If someplace is open legally, use it, at least some. Otherwise, it’s a lot easier to close.

MTV

MTV

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pilot ... spartanntp

Doubt if this helped the cause.