35 kts wind How the Hell do u crash with a headwind of 35 KTS

http://www.adn.com/alaska-news/aviation ... f-iliamna/

Very good question. Should just about fly in low ground effect before moving forward a foot.

I'll bet it wasn't a headwind......

MTV

mtv wrote:I'll bet it wasn't a headwind......

MTV

"Crosswind Lake"...

TradeCraft wrote:

mtv wrote:I'll bet it wasn't a headwind......

MTV

"Crosswind Lake"...

Indeed.....

Post takeoff crash checklist:

fuel off
master off
flaps to takeoff position
. . .

Post gear-up landing checklist:

fuel off
master off
door open
gear handle down
. . .

CAVU wrote:Post takeoff crash checklist:

fuel off
master off
flaps to takeoff position
. . .

Post gear-up landing checklist:

fuel off
master off
door open
gear handle down
. . .

Yup.

Cary

contactflying wrote: Should just about fly in low ground effect before moving forward a foot.

Perhaps you should just add this to your signature.

Had a friend who flew for a lodge in the Katmai area for years. I sent him the article above. This was his reply..........

"Crosswind ain't no place to screw around. Take 3 at a time down to the lower lake, then everybody goes home and has a drink. Been in and out of there lots of times. Pretty good pucker factor. Go down to the south end on the downwind shore, do a half step turn to the left, then kind of a left rudder right aileron shit-oh-dear takeoff run and a right turn out."

DonC wrote:Had a friend who flew for a lodge in the Katmai area for years. I sent him the article above. This was his reply..........

"Crosswind ain't no place to screw around. Take 3 at a time down to the lower lake, then everybody goes home and has a drink. Been in and out of there lots of times. Pretty good pucker factor. Go down to the south end on the downwind shore, do a half step turn to the left, then kind of a left rudder right aileron shit-oh-dear takeoff run and a right turn out."

Sounds like fun..... I always loved those "Is this lake really big enough?" kinda deals.....

MTV

I fly there pretty much everyday all the end of July and early part of August. There is a "long" way that is roughly north and south and the crosswind that runs roughly east west. It is very much doable in a beaver, even with a load when there is a wind, most will ferry loads out on still or slow wind days.. There has been three "oops" there in the last four seasons. This one, and two years a go two beavers, one landed downwind, and, one didn't put down his flaps for take off. Both happened to very experienced beaver pilots (16 years plus). The downwind guy just said "I know better than that, there was no reason for it to have happened" the other guy just cussed.

After I saw this in the paper last week or so, I reiterated to my guide to look at the flap setting, and slap the crap out of me if I don't have them down for take off. Yes it is my job, but a second set of eyes never hurts....unless he slaps the crap out of me (which will hurt less than balling up my retirement). To be clear I doh't know what happened in this particular mishap, I just rhought it a good time to tell my guide again.

90% of aircraft accidents in AK happen in the month of August....Fly Safe.

At least it wasn't Rainbow King...

Headoutdaplane wrote:I fly there pretty much everyday all the end of July and early part of August. There is a "long" way that is roughly north and south and the crosswind that runs roughly east west. It is very much doable in a beaver, even with a load when there is a wind, most will ferry loads out on still or slow wind days.. There has been three "oops" there in the last four seasons. This one, and two years a go two beavers, one landed downwind, and, one didn't put down his flaps for take off. Both happened to very experienced beaver pilots (16 years plus). The downwind guy just said "I know better than that, there was no reason for it to have happened" the other guy just cussed.

After I saw this in the paper last week or so, I reiterated to my guide to look at the flap setting, and slap the crap out of me if I don't have them down for take off. Yes it is my job, but a second set of eyes never hurts....unless he slaps the crap out of me (which will hurt less than balling up my retirement). To be clear I doh't know what happened in this particular mishap, I just rhought it a good time to tell my guide again.

90% of aircraft accidents in AK happen in the month of August....Fly Safe.

I know zilch about flying Beavers, but I sure got a lesson in seaplane flap usage on my SES checkride. The airplane was a 180hp converted C172E with a CS prop. I'd fueled the airplane with enough for the checkride plus a decent reserve, to keep it light. The DPE and I together weighed about 415 lbs. Each take off but one was easy with a sprightly climb out.

The one was a mock high density altitude take off, immediately after a mock emergency power off landing. The mock emergency landing went fine, although the DPE chewed on me for my 70 mph final approach speed--he would have liked 80 mph better. So after some chewing, he said, "OK, we're making a take off from Lake Tahoe, partial power to simulate high density altitude." I said, "I gather you're controlling the throttle." "Yup, I have the throttle", and he opened the throttle part way. I barely had time to pull up the rudders and reset the trim, and in the process, I totally forgot to drop the flaps. We skittered along, not leaving the water, until I realized what I'd done, pulled 20 flaps, and the airplane took off. I muttered something about "that was pretty dumb", but he responded, "Yes, but you figured it out and solved the problem."

So maybe the subject pilot was distracted, failed to drop the flaps for take off, and the Beaver simply couldn't do it like it could have with the proper takeoff flaps extended. The difference: he was in a confined area, and I had at least another 2 miles of Lake Washington.

Cary

Headoutdaplane wrote:I fly there pretty much everyday all the end of July and early part of August. There is a "long" way that is roughly north and south and the crosswind that runs roughly east west. It is very much doable in a beaver, even with a load when there is a wind, most will ferry loads out on still or slow wind days.. There has been three "oops" there in the last four seasons. This one, and two years a go two beavers, one landed downwind, and, one didn't put down his flaps for take off. Both happened to very experienced beaver pilots (16 years plus). The downwind guy just said "I know better than that, there was no reason for it to have happened" the other guy just cussed.

After I saw this in the paper last week or so, I reiterated to my guide to look at the flap setting, and slap the crap out of me if I don't have them down for take off. Yes it is my job, but a second set of eyes never hurts....unless he slaps the crap out of me (which will hurt less than balling up my retirement). To be clear I doh't know what happened in this particular mishap, I just rhought it a good time to tell my guide again.

90% of aircraft accidents in AK happen in the month of August....Fly Safe.

Good practice....get your "crew" to participate in "CRM". I for one will take any help I can get. And, yes, Beavers on floats don't perform well off the water without flaps deployed. Actually, not many seaplanes do.

Fortunately, nobody got killed in this, but a great old airplane didn't fare well.

MTV