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Carbon Nation

This looks like an interesting movie.

http://www.carbonnationmovie.com/home

Interesting approach to a topic that is often so polarized by stereotypes and preconceptions. The one-armed dude cracks me up.
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Re: Carbon Nation

Recently read that the next generation of billionaires will be from the renewable energy business.

I just installed a solar well so we will have free water to go with our walmart dog food at retirement.

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Re: Carbon Nation

Anytime I see Van Jones or Thomas Friedman saying anything my True/False meter starts wildly gyrating... :?

A mix of several fuel/energy sources would be nice (although of all the current ((ha ha)) approaches, wind is the most $$$ inefficient & lousy energy possible! Plus being a blight on the landscape). Am kinda' in the "ethanol industry" to some degree but since the US has the largest Oil and Natural Gas reserves of any nation on earth (A likely Trillion barrels in the WY, MT, CO shale - not to mention what's also in the Gulf, AK, NoDak Bakken and the coasts - Saudi to compare has 250 Billion barrels in reserves.) and the already built infrastructure to handle and dispense, why lock it up in favor of expensive experimental fuels and power sources? Especially during a world wide economic downturn.

I'm all for any power source that is more efficient and can see down the road applications and developments that will give us a broad base of inexpensive energy sources (more Natural Gas, small Nuke, Hydrogen Fuel Cell and Geothermal are interesting - even some solar...someday...). But will we ever develop these if the debt load on the nation isn't relieved? And you can't grow out of this kind of debt with high dollar energy dampening everything. Especially when it's all so unneccessary.

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Re: Carbon Nation

Zane:

If you are interested in the topic, a much better movie: Cool It.

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1) Newer, safer, higher quality Nuke plants out in the desert, guarded by a much smaller percentage of the US troops and defense resources we now have fighting overseas. That will power the existing grid and support the development of electric vehicles (including some fun little sport flying "toy" airplanes). Put these nukes AWAY from the !(#$*% shoreline, and away from the plate tectonic fault lines. Put 'em in large "biosphere" domes while you're at it, so the water cooling cycle can recover most of the water.

2) Biofuel from the "Jatropha" plant, also grown out in the desert. This plant requires a relatively small amount of water, thrives in sandy hot environment, resists weather and drought, and will yield a reasonably priced DOMESTIC source of diesel fuel. Combine that with efficient vehicle design like the injected turbo diesels, and you reduce pollution/carbon/ozone issues, use less resources, and the absorption of heat energy by these large plant farms REDUCES the global warming by some small amount. Same with the idea of the huge floating algae and seaweed farms... they absorb solar energy and work toward cooling the atmosphere on some tiny level.

3) Use the huge oil reserves we already have, (but use them more wisely and with less environmental damage) due to the other two energy sources above. I'm no oil expert, but all other factors equal there has to be a large savings from domestic oil because of not spending the money on transporting it across an ocean.

Combining the three methods above (and whatever else can be figured out by the scientists) will allow us to get off foreign oil very quickly (taking the funding away from the nice Arab terrorists), and we can keep our !($*% wealth in our country, which means we can fix all the other (valid) pressing problems without going bankrupt and becoming a third world country. Rant switch off.
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Re: Carbon Nation

375handh wrote:Zane:

If you are interested in the topic, a much better movie: Cool It.

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That looks like an interesting movie too, I will check it out. Good trailer.

However, I'm tired of the global warming/climate change debate, it makes me want to puke. That's why I though Carbon Nation looked interesting. It's an approach by the guy who doesn't care about climate change, he just wants to save money and/or be prepared for if/when oil skyrockets or becomes unavailable, as well as not live in a smog cloud. So, watch the movie or not, I don't care. I'm still going to be using a gas engine on my airplane.
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EZFlap wrote:1) Newer, safer, higher quality Nuke plants out in the desert, guarded by a much smaller percentage of the US troops and defense resources we now have fighting overseas. That will power the existing grid and support the development of electric vehicles (including some fun little sport flying "toy" airplanes). Put these nukes AWAY from the !(#$*% shoreline, and away from the plate tectonic fault lines. Put 'em in large "biosphere" domes while you're at it, so the water cooling cycle can recover most of the water.

2) Biofuel from the "Jatropha" plant, also grown out in the desert. This plant requires a relatively small amount of water, thrives in sandy hot environment, resists weather and drought, and will yield a reasonably priced DOMESTIC source of diesel fuel. Combine that with efficient vehicle design like the injected turbo diesels, and you reduce pollution/carbon/ozone issues, use less resources, and the absorption of heat energy by these large plant farms REDUCES the global warming by some small amount. Same with the idea of the huge floating algae and seaweed farms... they absorb solar energy and work toward cooling the atmosphere on some tiny level.

3) Use the huge oil reserves we already have, (but use them more wisely and with less environmental damage) due to the other two energy sources above. I'm no oil expert, but all other factors equal there has to be a large savings from domestic oil because of not spending the money on transporting it across an ocean.

That EZ flap guy needs to stop making sense... The guvmint is gonna have him "dispatched". :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :^o

Combining the three methods above (and whatever else can be figured out by the scientists) will allow us to get off foreign oil very quickly (taking the funding away from the nice Arab terrorists), and we can keep our !($*% wealth in our country, which means we can fix all the other (valid) pressing problems without going bankrupt and becoming a third world country. Rant switch off.
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Re: Carbon Nation

Lizard wrote:Recently read that the next generation of billionaires will be from the renewable energy business.

I just installed a solar well so we will have free water to go with our walmart dog food at retirement.

Thanks Z,
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Lizard, I dont want to hijack this topic, but did you make your own solar well pump or did you buy one? The reason i ask, is that I have been looking at a solar application for some time for use in the Philippines. My In/laws get along just fine using the community well, but they are getting old. would be nice not to have to pump by hand 2x day for cooking and bath. However i am not educated that much about solar or electricity. What are my options?
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Re: Carbon Nation

I keep hearing people say that wind generators aren't efficient and wonder why. Have you ever seen the water tanks for cattle to drink from out in the Sandhills of Nebraska. There is a windmill next to the tank, pumping, and the tank is usually overflowing and the water just gets pumped back up. Seems the wind is blowing all the time here in Iowa. Some say that the wind farms are to far from where the juice is needed(stranded wind generation). University of Minnesota is working on that problem, make anhydrous ammonia by splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen and combining the H with atmospheric nitrogen. NH3 is the basis for all commercial N fertilizer and can also be used in an internal combustion engine.
http://www.nh3fuelassociation.org
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Re: Carbon Nation

For water pumping, the line of pumps that Grundfos makes called the SQ Flex are great. High dollar but worth it. They willl run on anything from 40 VDC to 240 AC with NO modifications! Get the CU 200 control box, and you can put a float switch in a storage tank (hopefully on a hillside for gravity flow) hundreds of feet away, (no line current passes through these wires, just milliamps to the control box) and all day long it will fill the tank, when full it will shut off. Pump the water while the sun is out, and if you don't have a hill get a much smaller pump just to pressurize. They will run on a wide variety of solar power, just pump less per min. with a small array. My last job on a feed lot using one I installed is pumping 15,000 GPD into a 17,000 gallon tank, the cattle and the rancher are happy!

All renewables have their place, some get a bad rap from shitty engineering and false claims/salesmanship. Wind is great at night, solar during the day, hydro all the time, nukes once the waste problem is solved, anything but dealing with those mid east countries. Anyone see USA Today today? It seems the soil in Iraq is super fine dust, thanks to lots of military traffic and drought, and it is loaded with the small type of particals that go deep in the lungs, and lots of heavy metals on top of that, very bad news for anyone there. The only solution is get the hell out of there.
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Re: Carbon Nation

lownslow79 wrote:
Lizard wrote:Recently read that the next generation of billionaires will be from the renewable energy business.

I just installed a solar well so we will have free water to go with our walmart dog food at retirement.

Thanks Z,
Dale


Lizard, I dont want to hijack this topic, but did you make your own solar well pump or did you buy one? The reason i ask, is that I have been looking at a solar application for some time for use in the Philippines. My In/laws get along just fine using the community well, but they are getting old. would be nice not to have to pump by hand 2x day for cooking and bath. However i am not educated that much about solar or electricity. What are my options?
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I used the Grundfos system courierguy wrote about. Basically the same pump I have how that has been working for 20 years with a brushless DC motor,should be trouble free for many years. My well is 300' deep but for shallow wells there are cheaper options.
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Re: Carbon Nation

I was actually enjoying the video right up to the point I saw Van Jones. No need to watch more....
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Re: Carbon Nation

does look col I'll have to watch it
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Re: Carbon Nation

We are putting in a 28Kw solar power system at my company. It will be up and running by the end of this month. Eventually we hope to grow it to about 250Kw. It has a four year payback on the investment. Part of that payback comes from the ability to sell the SREC's (solar renewable energy credits) that we earn.

Is it the future for this country? I can't answer that. All I can say is it makes sense to us, right now.
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Re: Carbon Nation

Just saw this on Domestic Fuel website. Sounds good.

http://domesticfuel.com/2011/05/16/nant ... threefold/
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