Not super short, but plane was loaded, density altitude, trees, and sinker over the lake.
This was at Method Seven, Camp Patriot flyin, near Yaak Montana.
We will start to call it Experts only flyin, not a place for beginners.
Few planes looked at it and went somewhere else.
But is all about the pilot, we did have a standard 182, no STOL kit or nothing, even wheel pants, he came light, and had no problems.