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CH 750 Loses Prop

Step brother emailed me this. Pilot didn't miss the prop till landing. Did notice there was no response to throttle. Everybody OK.

http://www.cassville-democrat.com/story/1702149.html
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There was a quick shudder and then a loud bang," said Schlichtman. "I turned to Chuck and said 'that's not good.'"

Assessing the situation, Schlichtman realized he was going to have to land the plane as quickly as possible.

"I wasn't getting any response from the throttle and had lost thrust," said Schlichtman. "I knew we were going down, and it wasn't going to be at the airport."


Oh that's just a great statement for non-flyer's to read. Put another nail in the coffin for General aviation why dont you.
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The picture hits you first when you read the story. Both guys are in the seats just fine getting out their gear.
They wouldn't print what my passenger said on a engine out forced landing with the 701. Pulse line to the fuel pump failure. She was taking aerial farm pictures for our local newspaper. When the prop stopped at 300 ft I just said.."shit", but she had a string of words I NEVER heard put together ending with "Start the engine.. start the engine".. Her color didn't come back till we landed. Then she said.. "That wasn't so bad." Never read a word about it in the paper. Still, I think those newspaper ladies have quite the large vocabulary.
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The snow only looks like it's about 4" deep. Is that really deep enough to make front gear collapse on an admittedly smooth and level field? In any case, pilot and passenger walked away unharmed. Good job. Also, anyone else notice how the port leading edge slat looks longer than the starboard side? And is the gray color duct tape?

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This CH750 was one of the first customer built kits of this model to get flying. The gray area is even on both sides (just the perspective angle of the photo) and is painted aluminum. The pilot is saying that he believes that he lost a propeller tip which hit the outboard end of one of the slats. Then the prop departed quickly. Here is one of his posts from the Zenith forum:

Andre, I would be glad to share what I know and what I can. I had been flying earlier and posted a picture on FB from that flight. A buddy of mine who is a photographer saw the picture and called me to see if I would take him up for some winter time arial photo...I said sure, come on out to the airport. Anyway...we had been flying for about five minutes and he wanted to go a little higher for better view. I was over our town at about 1200 agl in a shallow bank when all of a sudden the was a quick shudder and then a loud BANG!......at which time I immediatley pulled power as I thought I had thrown a rod and I did not want oil all over the windscreen. Then it was smooth with slight engine noise. I had the Bose noise concelling head set on...so did not hear much. Not much time to spend figuring out why the engine quite generating power....quick look at what was under me (I remember the wind is out of the west, so try to land into the wind)....quick look at he guages and airspeed...still had good control of the airplane...airspeed to best glide...I figured around 65 in this plane...check. Altitude now 800 ft agl...I find my field, position for circle to lose remaining altitude. Left turn to line up with open area...going too fast now, maybe 75...full flaps....time to get on the ground...sharp dive then flare...plane would not settle...going to fast..running out of space...powerline overhead now. Time to set it down...forced it down slightly into the snow....losing speed and pull back...plane still wants to fly....time to get down and back into the snow...mains are down and the nose drops rather quick..then it collapses (at this time I remember thinking that the prop would now be hitting and to expect something bad to happen....nothing...my first realization that we were missing the prop) and we are skidding (100'). We come to a stop...elt is going off and I realize the engine is still running I kill the engine, turn off the fuel and turn off the elt. I look at my buddy and ask him if he is alright...he says yes and I say lets get out. We both back away in disbelief....my first thought is "holy cow...I need a picture of this." But to answer you question Andre...the 750 handles great dead-stick and glides just fine...just not very far....maybe 1/2 mile for every 1000' agl. Airspeed was my number one focus until I knew exactly what my entension were...then it was timing the turns and altitude to arrive at the field with enough altitued and speed to flare and settle in as slow as possible. Looking back, there are a few things I could have done better...but not many.

I think he did a good job of getting into a small field that was basically still in town. He had to clear a barn and a tall tree and thread it down under a power line (which is basically above the plane in the photo above) and not run out of field. Some of this is my own conclusion from reading his posts on the forum and may not be correct.
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Thanks for posting that, it really puts a person in the pilot seat to read the account of the pilot. Diving under the powerline is a great accomplishment in a developed area but will definitely produce more airspeed than wanted. He did a great job and I especially like the photo published with both the pilot and passenger in the plane. Takes the fear out of the emergency landing photo.
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I say good job on getting that aircraft down and on the ground safely.....looks to me that it will fly again with minor damage to fix..

Anyone know what engine is installed on that one..??

They are designed for the 0-200 but not all of them are running it.

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Well, look at the bright side. No prop strike :lol:
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Re: CH 750 Loses Prop

Why not just slip under the powerline to keep the speed down?
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Anyone know what engine is installed on that one..??

He installed a Jabiru 3300. The prop was the latest Sensenich that is apparently designed for this engine.

As for what he could have done different/better, it is easy to post-game-quarterback. I have had a few engine outs and you-do-what-you-do :? I always felt lucky to be down in one piece. If I didn't have to fix the airframe too, that was a bonus [-o<

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The pilot and passenger walked away without a scratch and the plane is salvageable. Obviously he did a lot of things right, especially considering he was ditching in a populated, developed area. It definitely could have been much, much worse. Again, good job.

I'm just wondering, are the CH750's not supposed to utilize slip when using full flaps?

He also didn't say if he had practiced engine-off/emergency landings either. I do a lot of take-offs and landings when I fly the RR and probably 70% of them are short-field, after a 30' high obstacle (tree). Probably 20% are actual simulated engine-offs, and 10% are "normal" landings of varying types. This may not seem like very fun flying, and many at the air park wonder why I practice so much. But I can say that the more you practice, the better you'll be at it.
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Looks more like they got pulled over and the cop is giving him a ticket.
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I haven't flown the 750 but the overall design is similar to the 701. I will tell you that I had a very capable and experienced Super Cub pilot with me after I had that plane figured out and his description of descent did not include the words sink rate, it was ground rush. In the 701 engine out with flaps at 40 you most likely would not get the nose up to arrest decent. A slip on top of that would come down like a rock. This is not a gliding wing aircraft. You have seen the steep climb outs and it can descend the same. On later models than mine the 40 was limited to one notch less for that reason. I think 30 is full flaps on those now. I can't speak for the 750. This pilot handled the situation well, just had excess speed to get rid of at flare out but felt it was time to force it down.
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Bonanza Man wrote:Looks more like they got pulled over and the cop is giving him a ticket.


He's giving the pilot a trespassing ticket :roll:
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