lowflybye wrote:Agreed...however, flight schools have more losses on average simply due to the amount of hours they fly, the various skill levels, etc. etc. so it is not surprising that it was a flight school aircraft.

lowflybye,

That's a good point. The likelyhood of a trainer being involved may not reflect so much the skills of the student or procedures of the school as the simple fact that they are flying more hours in the pattern where this stuff happens. Th math catches up with them even if they are the best at SEE AND AVOID.

How about putting the fault where it belongs. PILOT ERROR and PILOT ERROR.... 2 planes same place same time on the runway is a mistake on both drivers fault. The flying plane has the right of way --- yeah right ! It is much easier to see a plane on the ground than to see an inbound plane on finale. 2 planes 2 mistakes = bad outcome. Boys lets be careful out-there...

Easy now...the Arrow could have very easily made a turning base to final without radio communication and stayed in the Stinsons blind area (his tail) the entire time leaving the Stinson pilot no way to see the Arrow. I have seen that happen before and it can become a tense few moments.

This is all speculation since we do not have any facts so blame should not be placed on either pilot, much less both of them at this point. In any event this should serve as a reminder / lesson to all of us with regards to clearing the area of traffic and being aware of the surroundings at all times...especially in / or around the traffic pattern.

What kind of beer!

Is the old Alaskan standard still available "OLY POP"

7853H wrote:Is the old Alaskan standard still available "OLY POP"

There is a little beer and wine place across from the airport (O22) called the waterwheel. They actually still serve Oly in cans. They'll let a visitor order one or maybe two. Any more and they'll likely tell you they're out. It's evidently reserved for a couple of locals.

John,

What kinda' cigars would be appropriate for a full blown investigation such as the one on the agenda ???

John,
Leave it to you to give the best reply yet! LMAO!!! My request for the beer? My favorite kind...cold! Next RNO overnight I'll call ya and go help out with another annual...though the best I can offer is moral support.

Seriously folks, we can all have our opinions but let's not get our panties in a wad! It was pilot error by TWO pilots. Low wing? High wing? TD? Nose dragger? It all ends up the same: 2 bent airplanes, more bent egos, but mostly, lucky SOB's that should thank GOD they didn't buy the farm on that one. I teach my students that "right of way is determined by F-ING LAWYERS! Be a F-ING PILOT and don't hit anyone or bend anything...and for gawd's sake watch yer friggin airspeed!!!"

'nuff said.

Cheers!
AWOL

Yep...student pilot with an instructor in the Cherokee.

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/st ... 883-1.html

Looks like the trees played a factor in preventing either aircraft from seeing the other.

lowflybye wrote:Yep...student pilot with an instructor in the Cherokee.

Something no one has mentioned yet is to ALWAYS check your SHADOW a couple of times at uncontrolled airports if it is sunny! Especially during the base to final turn, as well as clearing the final appoach course as you establish the bank for that turn. I will usually look for it once on the downwind, then I can figure out if it will be visible and where it will be during the base to final turn and on final so I only need a quick glance once or twice. If you DO ever see another shadow and can't immediately tell that it's not a threat, best evasive manuever is probably to cobb the throttle, sidestep a hundred feet or so and hold altititude, since the shadow will not tell you if he is above or below you.


Rocky

2 problems might have been involved in this accident that seem to be taught these days.
1--New instruction teaches a low approach where as the aircraft on the ground cannot see the approaching aircraft ( even more so if there are tree's or terrain in the background.
2--Taxi onto the runway and holding ( take off and get out of the way -- don't stop on a runway at a uncontrolled airport )