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DUATS IN DANGER OF NOT BEING FUNDED

I logged into DUATS today and got a message that the FAA is considering de-funding DUATS. I am guessing this is at the behest of the "budget hawks" in Congress. Since this will not effect the Big Iron flyers we little guys only have our voice to our Congress Representatives and Senators.

See article below and PLEASE raise Hell w/ your Federal representatives. :twisted:

Defunding of DUATS (Direct user Access Terminal Service) Imminent
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is attempting to defund a common safety program called
(DUATS). Two companies currently provide flight planning service, which includes FAA aviation weather
briefings and flight plan filing. This free service to pilots under contract to the FAA is in danger of being
defunded, placing the cost of running this service directly on the backs of pilots.
DUATS has been available to pilots as a free service since 1989, providing access over the internet and
even offers direct modem dial-in. DUATS has been the primary choice for pilots for pre-flight planning
instead of voice-calling Flight Service. DUATS service is accessible via common Web browsers and
mobile devices, such as smart phones and tablets. In addition, both equipment manufacturers and third
party software vendors (such as WingX and iFlightPlanner) depend on all or part of the DUATS program
to provide pre and in-flight services to the pilot community. Their interface to DUATS provides them
and their users with assurance of their quality interface to the FAA NAS (National Airspace Systems).
As DUATS is a program built to strict FAA requirements and an approved source for pilots to receive
their required pre-flight briefings, doing away with this service presents a possible safety issue. The FAA
does not certify or directly approve any other sites available to the public. Without DUATS, this will
require pilots to evaluate other sources of weather to insure that they meet the FAA’s requirement. The
DUATS program is also the only online flight planning service that provides complete recording of all
pilot online session activities as well as the provided output. This information is available to the FAA
within seconds, providing critical information for Search and Rescue as well as follow-up investigations
on preflight planning activities.
From a tax payers’ standpoint, the FAA DUATS program is a transaction-based competitive contract,
which is one of the most innovative and cost-effective programs in the FAA. Two vendors, in
competition for market share, continuously innovate and update technology at no cost to the FAA --
benefiting both tax payers and pilots. The approximately $10 million required to operate the program is
a small price to pay for the benefits that it provides to the flying community. According to a FAA study
in 2013, DUATS provides over 130 million weather and NOTAM briefings, flight planner generated logs,
and flight plans filed as well as other valuable services per year to the aviation community (at a cost of
$0.08/activity). In contrast, the current Flight Service Station program, supporting only the lower 48
States - provides 4.6 million activities per year, at a cost of $140 million per year (cost of $30/activity).
As a tax payer -- one needs to ask the question -- Why defund DUATS and keep the Flight Services
program fully funded at a cost of more than 14 times what DUATS costs the tax payers?
Please help DUATS, by contacting your Congressional representatives, and asking them to support the
continued funding of DUATS -- It is the safe and cost-effective way of supporting the General Aviation
community.
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As I understand it, the issue is not that the FAA is considering not supporting on line briefing providers, but that the FAA might open up the system for bidding which could result in one of the current providers being replaced by a third party (or at least a loss of monopoly).
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but that the FAA might open up the system for bidding which could result in one of the current providers being replaced by a third party (or at least a loss of monopoly)


Would that third party possibly be Lockheed Martin? Talk about a monopoly!

I don't know about the rest of ya'll, but what we have now is not broken and I really have a fear of the "third party" effin it up big time.
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Yep, Lockheed has F'ed it up so bad I don't even use it anymore unless I have too. The briefings are next to worthless in this part of the country. Radios for FSS aren't routinely monitored or they just turn down the volume and don't respond. LM should be investigated for fleecing us as far as I'm concerned. We lost a great program that was replaced by a worthless piece of crap. Buy me a beer sometime and I'll tell you how I really feel about it.

Now having said that, there are still a few good individuals out there helping us and I very much appreciate them, but the system in general is way flawed.

I got tired of complaining and sending examples to AOPA who glowed about how they helped to make it better after start-up and that life is all good now. BS!
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blackrock wrote:Buy me a beer sometime and I'll tell you how I really feel about it.


okie dokie. It might be a minute though...
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blackrock wrote:Yep, Lockheed has F'ed it up so bad I don't even use it anymore unless I have too. The briefings are next to worthless in this part of the country. Radios for FSS aren't routinely monitored or they just turn down the volume and don't respond. LM should be investigated for fleecing us as far as I'm concerned. We lost a great program that was replaced by a worthless piece of crap. Buy me a beer sometime and I'll tell you how I really feel about it.

Now having said that, there are still a few good individuals out there helping us and I very much appreciate them, but the system in general is way flawed.

I got tired of complaining and sending examples to AOPA who glowed about how they helped to make it better after start-up and that life is all good now. BS!


Yep Mike,

Lockheed Martin does suck!

You can do way better for yourself with foreflight or the local news!

I even had one of those guys argue with me one time because I wanted to file vfr!
He told me vfr not recommended!
I told him I wanted to file vfr! back and forth for a bit. then I found out he was making the brief from Georgia. What the hell? I was in Washington at the time!!!
Kinda pissed me off!!! :evil:

We do still have real Flight service in Alaska!
We even have a FSS right on the field in Homer.

Good bunch of guys and I am glad they are here!
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You can do way better for yourself with foreflight or the local news!


Point of the original post is ForeFlight, WingX, Pilot, etc. get their info from DUATS and if the "third party" aka LM gets the contract we can look forward to the same wonderful service for these apps that we have come to expect from LM FSS.
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TomD wrote:
You can do way better for yourself with foreflight or the local news!


Point of the original post is ForeFlight, WingX, Pilot, etc. get their info from DUATS and if the "third party" aka LM gets the contract we can look forward to the same wonderful service for these apps that we have come to expect from LM FSS.



Oh Joy! Lets hope this doesn't happen!
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Oh Joy! Lets hope this doesn't happen!


Contact your congressman, or Senator via email, fax, telephone, or any other way. But be heard.
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