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EPA bloviating about 100LL & “the children”

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Not missing a second the EPAs leader put out this heavily emotional and scientifically hollow nonsense

When it comes to our children, the science is clear, exposure to lead can cause irreversible and life-long health effects,”

Lest we point out how the argument of “the children” has a very nasty history by those who invoked it to get support

And of course EPA leader didn’t show any science or real numbers on how my 185 is making the local kids even dumber, or grow a third arm, and ignores how people today live to a obscenely old age…



https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-n ... d/1090898/


If anyone knows of any groups filing lawsuits to block this PLEASE link, I’d happy donate some money or give support to stop this expensive pointless overreach


Also anyone have a link to that debunking of the CA study that lots of the enviros make their 100ll case off of?
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If we start looking to Newsmax for scientific guidance we are in trouble, sorry my opinion.

Lead is going away eventually... here, in Canada, and much of the rest of the world.. it would be great to have a lead free fuel that works across the fleet and we will eventually.
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Welcome to post truth world.
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NineThreeKilo wrote:Also anyone have a link to that debunking of the CA study that lots of the enviros make their 100ll case off of?


Here's some reading to get you started:

https://calpilots.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Response-to-Congressional-Press-Release-on-Lead-4.pdf

https://calpilots.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Response-to-EPA-regarding-Lead-Final-20220228-2.pdf

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/06/11/study-finds-no-elevated-lead-levels-in-reid-hillview-airports-soil/

I typed too soon about this not being news. The regulatory process is proceeding to the next step. Here's EPA's website: https://www.epa.gov/regulations-emissions-vehicles-and-engines/epas-data-and-analysis-piston-engine-aircraft-emissions


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Do you think all these dumbass hyperbolic threads you make really effect change?
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asa wrote:Do you think all these dumbass hyperbolic threads you make really effect change?


Hyperbole is unnecessary and counterproductive, as is name-calling. Please, let's not have another locked thread.

Banning the sale of 100ll, as Santa Clara County has done, has a real impact on us. EPA's proposed endangerment finding is a move towards a nationwide ban on 100ll. If that happens before unleaded 100 octane fuel is available, my airplane will be grounded, and so will a lot of others.

Grounding high performance aircraft engines would have impacts on flight training, maintenance facilities, and the level of GA activity. We don't know what the cost of unleaded 100 octane will be, nor is there a solid timeframe for availability. There is also the collateral damage that is being done to GA due to the politicization and fear-mongering that is being done in the name of the children. We do not want GA to become the battleground in class warfare. (And if you think that is hyperbole, then read this: https://sanjosespotlight.com/op-ed-san-jose-can-reckon-with-and-heal-the-damage-of-redlining-and-racism/.)

If you read the EPA's documents, you'll see that they found airborne lead concentrations that exceed their standards at only two of seventeen airports -- San Carlos and McClellan Palomar, and that everything else in their endangerment finding is based on statistical modeling of what might exist at 13,000 other airports based on that data. What the EPA report fails to mention is that the sampling they did at San Carlos and Palomar violated their own air testing protocols and the air monitor manufacturer's instructions for proper sampling because EPA put the monitors inside the fence at the runup areas--where no people are exposed. If you put air monitors right behind the tailpipe of engines burning 100ll, you can expect to detect lead. EPA is supposed to measure the quality of "ambient air," which is air in places with people breathing the air.

So, bottom line, the proposed Endangerment Finding is based on statistical modeling that is based on air sampling at 17 airports, where the only two samples that exceeded EPA air quality standards were samples that should have been thrown out.

Understanding the data, methodology, and politics is a prerequisite to any possibility of having a voice and influence. The ship has already sailed on keeping 100ll. The only place where we may still be able to influence is on the timing of the transition. On that, it seems the Alphabet groups agree. So, there is a point to understanding the facts and science, and pushing back on hysteria.

My $.02

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No doubt the new avfuel manufacturers paid K street to set the EPA in this direction. And I'm sure AOPA is in on the take.
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GB wrote:No doubt the new avfuel manufacturers paid K street to set the EPA in this direction. And I'm sure AOPA is in on the take.


Yup... I’m sure the new fuels will all be safe & effective, as well as economical.
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Friends of the Earth petitioned, then sued the EPA. That's what created the crisis, not the industry or AOPA. The crisis was then converted into opportunities, both inside the EPA and outside of government. Look at how long this has gone on, and how much studying, modeling, and reporting has been done. How much money went into PAFI? At least the GAMI team created something. How much of our economy is solutions looking for problems anyway? At least AOPA is fighting for an orderly transition.
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Durango Skywagon wrote:If we start looking to Newsmax for scientific guidance we are in trouble, sorry my opinion.


The OP didn’t start out bagging on CNN. He named his source of info, good on him!
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CAVU wrote:(And if you think that is hyperbole, then read this: https://sanjosespotlight.com/op-ed-san-jose-can-reckon-with-and-heal-the-damage-of-redlining-and-racism/.)CAVU


Wow, love the comments. Here is what we are up against:

The evil immoral greedy and selfish is in the approval by our politicians of a polluting airport and the crimes against humanity from burning fossil fuels destroying our health and all life on earth. Now the report that confirms the evil capitalism and consumerism that exploits nature and people for profit must stop ——the IPCC report 2021 says: CODE RED FOR humanity the intergovernmental panel on climate change is an intergovernmental body of the United Nations founded in 1988 mandated to provide objective scientific information relevant to understanding human induced climate change it’s natural political and economic impacts and risks and possible response options.

THE AIRPORTS MUST go because they are 100 percent fueled by fossil fuel and we need to be as the science says to zero carbon dioxide greenhouse gases by 2025! Now! Close the airports grow food!
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Terry wrote:
Durango Skywagon wrote:If we start looking to Newsmax for scientific guidance we are in trouble, sorry my opinion.


The OP didn’t start out bagging on CNN. He named his source of info, good on him!

Yeah, what's wrong with Newsmax?
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Thread locked. Arguing news sources is a whisper away from the usual political identity bullshit. Take it to facebooks.
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