I think that Ethanol topics should have there own section just like hot air cus they are mostly political. If it were not for corn lobbies it woud not exist. See it is political. You would have to sign up for it or it would not appear just like hot air. No more graphs and no more of my brother in law put it in his Simca or Crosley and it never ran so good, that would be fantastic, don't ya think

Your brother-in-law put it into his Crosley? Thought I was the only Crosley owner out there....need pictures!

My Model T even likes it... ha ha... did a wheelie the other day when I pushed in the low gear pedal...

I agree, the endless nerdspeak on petro is getting kinda old.

Hmmmm- to me the availability of a suitable and affordable fuel is one of the biggest factors in my continued ability to fly. (Matt, you have a F165 in your Stinson, right?) Maybe I'm one of the ones you guys are complaining about, and while I agree there's definitely a political component to some ethanol discussion and there are a few folks pushing an agenda, I'm still learning things, and still have some questions. I'd hate to not be able to ask them here.

It's certainly not my goal to piss anybody off, but if you don't want to read it, what's so hard about reading the subject lines and avoiding any that contain "Ethanol" in them? Or maybe the wise Zane will ban these discussions off somewhere else...

-Bill

No, I was not pointing a finger at any one person. Sorry if I offended you RDU.

My beef is we have one dedicated ethanol thread, but somehow it leaks into many other threads. (Do a quick search on ethanol and see how many posts come up). For me, it is a political issue and I think that's why Tim suggested it being in it's own category.

As far as using the term "nerdspeak", I just wanted to say it cause it sounds funny. I mean do disrespect to the nerds on this board.

I understand- and no, you didn't offend me at all! I am guilty of starting an ethanol-related thread last week when I had a specific question I thought someone here might have an answer to. We just spent a bunch of money on a fuel tank, trailer, pumps, etc and a rumour popped up about some mysterious ethanol blending additive that would screw us in spite of our best efforts.

Sorry to spread this talk out even more...

I think the topic of ethanol in gasoline is very relevant.

The annoying part is that every mention of ethanol devolves into the same discussion about viability that's been had many times before, and no respect is paid to the thread that starts it, no matter how unrelated. The "Which airports have mogas" thread(s) are a good example. I've already split that one because the ethanol argument diluted the real objective, which is "which airports?"

Best practice here is to just find an old ethanol thread and pick up where it left off if you have something new to add or contest. Normally, not a huge deal, unless you're looking for information in threads that this ethanol argument keeps cluttering up.

How about just refrain from cutting and pasting from the E85 forum. Just give us the link and if we want to go there we will.

The only reason there are so many yes votes is cus you eth guys have been pushing it a bit to hard. You should get together and get some STC's for 5 to 15 percent eth. Start with 182B.

Tim

Let's see. Harvesting subsidized corn, using subsidized oil, to make fuel the end user has to pay list price for.

We are being screwed so many ways it would make a porn movie look to be PG.

TD

I predict that this very thread turns into an ethanol argument.

Sorry, could not help myself.

I predict that this very thread turns into an ethanol argument.

That's pretty hilarious, but mostly because you're so right!

I'll try to abide by Zane's idea. Maybe qmdv's is not so bad either.

I know Tim is just stirring the pot. If you don't like any thread don't read it. If some like to debate the merits of what ever why should you or I care. If ethanol was a buck a gallon I would be converting my plane to run it.

Good day

You guys are funny--Henry ford designed the Model T's to run on ethanol. (about the fourth paragraph, "engine and means of starting")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T

Robburson, ethanol is about a buck and a half a gallon. I am running in in my RV8, about 60% E98 and 40% 100LL.

mountainmatt wrote:No, I was not pointing a finger at any one person. Sorry if I offended you RDU.

My beef is we have one dedicated ethanol thread, but somehow it leaks into many other threads. (Do a quick search on ethanol and see how many posts come up). For me, it is a political issue and I think that's why Tim suggested it being in it's own category.

As far as using the term "nerdspeak", I just wanted to say it cause it sounds funny. I mean do disrespect to the nerds on this board.

I resemble all this "nerdspeek" me being a Glidergeek, I tried that ethanol in the glider and I couldn't circle after drinking 1 oz! and the gas in it leaves a terrible aftertaste, talk about spitfire! just not enough BTU's for me, I'll stick to 100LL.

And how just how does that ethanol leak, through thread? Defiantly a fire hazard right Rob (B hazard, foam, CO2, or dry chem - not water)? Leaking ethanol, use water to absorb it but you loose your antiknock. Gimme nother shot of that ethanol, I'm done with my rant. Where the hell is Dennis Miller when you need him!

I agree with Rob, if you don't like it, don't read it. I quit following the thread after I got the letter from Cessna. It just doesn''t pertain to me any more.

Having said that, I'm sure my buddy would put it in his plane if that was all there was to burn. The way things are going, straight Mogas is going the way of the Loran. Doesn't make a damn bit of difference what we want! Were just a bunch of dumb pilots anyway! More "CHANGE" for us common folk!

Jaerl wrote:I agree with Rob, if you don't like it, don't read it.

I to agree with that. Just do not stick it in a thread that is about somthing else. I am afraid to start a thread about motor oil without sombody introducing ethanol into it.

If you want to start a thread about how great ethanol is then put it in the Market Place section cus the bigest defenders of it are also selling it.

Tim

Tim, be careful. Don't mention ethanol and oil in the same sentence. Someone might get ideas and next year we will have to run Wesson Oil in the engine and Crisco in the wheel bearings.

Nope, Ethanol is not over yet, 19 posts in 3 days.
Still wondering what the gunk in the Harley carb is?