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shortfielder wrote:Hey George
I sent the comment in talking about why they should be marked, and how many can be effected my these towers. That they should be made to be as visible a possable, and the idea that it would be nice if they had a website (map)where we could go to see where these are and where they are planning on putting them, with approximaste dates so that we could make it part of out planing, and know in advance what to expect.
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Good idea Gary. I like to fly down low out here in the prarie sometimes and the thought of anything new stuck up into the sky without some kind of marking kinda' scares me..the damn cell towers are going up like weeds but most of them are high enough to be lighted out here.
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Re: FAA comment on proposed AC regarding met tower marking.

FYI here is my comment if it helps others formulate theirs.

I am writing in regard to the proposed marking guidance for Meteorological Evaluation Towers.

As a pilot and outdoorsman I can understand both sides of the argument-- bright markings increase visibility and therefore safety of low level VFR flight, but bright markings also increase visibility of the tower and can be an eyesore on the backdrop of nature's beauty. I feel that the case for safety far outweighs the case for aesthetics.

I would ask that the administration require-- not offer guidance or suggestion, but require-- that these temporary lightweight tower structures be marked with high visibility markings, and if possible, anti-collision lighting. Low-energy LED strobe lighting is now easily attainable and relatively inexpensive.

Having known pilots personally who met their demise in collisions with unmarked wires, I implore the administration to require aircraft visibility means, even for these temporary MET's.

Thank you for your consideration,
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Re: FAA comment on proposed AC regarding met tower marking.

Done.
I took the aerial applicators perspective for noxious weed control on pastures. It is a requirement to control these weeds and ground rigs will not even go up there. The hill ranges of this state are a huge growth area for wind development. The towers need to be visible and it should be required. We need to be able to coexist safely.
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Re: FAA comment on proposed AC regarding met tower marking.

Hello everybody. I've been following this board for several years and have picked up a great deal of information. One thing I have learned is that safety is very important to everyone who flies. The issue of MET towers is, in my opinion, of great concern. I fly ag and also love flying my Citabria low and slow. Here in central and northern Nebraska MET towers are popping up all over and they are very hard to see. This has been an issue with aerial applicators for a few years now and we are finally getting things going on the right track. With everyones voice being heard, we (pilots), are being heard by the FAA. I just wanted to share with BackCountryPilot.org our organizations official stance. I encourage everyone to comment, and in no way am I claiming our stance is the only or the correct position for everyone. But, feel free to take what you want from our comments. Thanks and be careful out there.

NEBRASKA AVIATION TRADES ASSOCIATION

January 19, 2011

Docket Operations, M-30
U.S. Department of Transportation
1200 New Jersey Avenue, SE.,
West Building Ground Floor, Room W12-140
Washington, DC 20590-0001

Subject: Comments on Proposed FAA Guidance “Marking Meteorological Evaluation Towers,” Docket Number 2010-1326

To Whom It May Concern,

The Nebraska Aviation Trades Association (NATA) is pleased to have this opportunity to provide our organization’s official comments on “Marking Meteorological Evaluation Towers” (Docket No: FAA 2010-1326) as presented for stakeholder comment by the Federal Aviation Administration. NATA is the professional organization for agricultural pilots in the State of Nebraska with a membership of about 160 members. The following paragraphs are responses to specific points as solicited in the FAA guidance.

We fully support the painting the met towers in alternating bands of aviation orange and white paint. It is our distinct recommendation that the entire tower be painted in alternating bands rather than just an upper portion.

NATA recognizes the value and supports the usage of spherical marker balls (aviation orange color, 51 cm diameter) on outer guy wires of met towers. We request the usage of spherical marker balls over flag markers because they are a more visible option. The use of only spherical marker balls aids to standardize upon one method of marker identification for greater pilot recognition rather than having two marker options.

High visibility sleeves on guy wires at the ground anchor point further add to the recognition of met towers by pilots. We see great value and recommend using at least 16 feet of sleeves of a florescent orange color on guy wires at the anchor point so that the sleeves reach a height above a given crop.

Strobe lighting, although easily seen by pilots, has strong disadvantages on a temporary structure. Its success depends upon a fully functioning and expensive set of components of solar panel, battery pack, wiring, switches, and a strobe light that can too easily fail. The use of the met tower markers of alternating paint bands, marker balls, and guy wire sleeves are sufficient, can be easily seen, and their failure rate is nearly zero. Determining the entity responsible for strobe light maintenance further complicates the consideration of strobe lighting and may too
easily allow strobe light failures to go uncorrected. NATA does not recommend strobe lighting in the final guidance.

The proposed guidance for the marking of met towers did not address the issue of tower marking maintenance. We see the need for the FAA’s final guidance on met towers to recommend the monitoring and maintenance of markings (as long as the tower remains standing) by the appropriate representative (tower owner, contractor or electrical power entity, etc.) with repair and/or replacement of the marking components as necessary.

NATA requests the FAA to include in its final met tower guidance that markings be placed on new met towers at the time of construction and that markings be added to existing, unmarked towers within six months of the implementation date of this guidance.

As a summary, it is our recommendation and preference that met towers have multiple markings to include 1) alternating bands of aviation orange and white paint on the entire tower, 2) spherical marker balls on guy wires (aviation orange color, 51 cm diameter), and 3) high visibility, fluorescent orange sleeves of at least 16 feet in length on guy wire anchor points. Each of these items is to be used as directed by FAA Advisory Circular 70/7460. We ask that the final FAA guidance include recommendations for responsibility of tower marking maintenance, that new met towers are marked at the time of construction, and that existing, unmarked towers be identified within six months of the implementation of this guidance.

The Nebraska Aviation Trades Association extends its sincere appreciation to the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration for recognizing this important safety of flight issue concerning unmarked met towers. We commend the FAA for taking appropriate steps to minimize aviation risks for the agricultural aviation industry, life flight crews and patients, and aerial fire suppression crews.

Sincerely,
Chip Coslor
President
Nebraska Aviation Trades Association
PO Box 66
St. Paul, NE 68873

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Re: FAA comment on proposed AC regarding met tower marking.

A well done clip from George Warren of our local ABC affiliate regarding Steve's crash and the preliminary NTSB findings. Thoughts and prayers to Steve's family.....While I didn't know him personally, he was friends with my A&P and was well known and highly regarded in the Sacramento aviation community.

Fingers crossed that our comments will get these towers properly marked. In our foggy/hazy wintertime conditions these damn battleship gray towers are next to impossible to see until you are right on top of them.

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=118532

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Re: FAA comment on proposed AC regarding met tower marking.

The last comment from the news anchor says it all!

Competitive edge is not worth a pilots life


Even though these towers are just 2 feet short of the legal height for markings, these company's are still negligent for the death of this pilot. Unbelievable these company's would set these unmarked death towers up in farmland knowing that ag planes are commonly operating in the same area on a daily basis [-X
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FAA comment on proposed AC regarding met tower marking.

Over a 60 mile stretch South East of KDLS we saw 5 or 6 of these.
Uncomfortably close to the first one before we spotted it. Image
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Holly crap!! Those are almost completely invisible :shock: :shock:

After reading thread and sending in my comments. I've been driving from Florida back to SoCal this last week and now I can't seem to not notice about every tower along the highway. The one thing I have noticed is that about every tower is either marked or had some kind of lights on it. Even if it was what appeared to be less than 200 feet tall.
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Terry,
Thanks for posting that picture. I've been a bit taken up with calling people on this matter. I appreciate that as some people still don't understand the exact type of tower we are speaking of.
The real scary part is that you can barely see the tower itself but you can not even begin to see the guy wires that are supporting it on all sides.
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THIS IS NOT A MET TOWER! But, this is how they should be marked! I took this picture along I-10 in Texas.

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Figured I'd throw in one more post to get this back to the top since the comment period ends on Friday.
To those of you that have made comments, thanks. To those that haven't, you might give it a look.
www.regulations.gov docket# 2010-1326
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Do the land owners know when and where these towers go up on their property? As a land owner, wouldn't there be some liability involved? Seems to me that if I was land owner (especially a farmer/rancher) and I let a company come on my property to erect these MET tower, I would be very concerned about liability.
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Re: FAA comment on proposed AC regarding met tower marking.

Sometimes they do. Most times probably.
In my case the one I almost hit was asked for by the grower I was spraying but he didn't bother tel us of the new placement when he booked the work and it had been erected since I had last sprayed on that farm.
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The NAAA just brought to light a general aviation met tower strike in Oregon from 2003 in their comment.
Two dead, bad deal.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id= ... 027&rpt=fa
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This was just posted on the Idaho Agricultural Aviation Association Facebook page. This is great. A step in the right direction.

Idaho Agricultural Aviation Association:

Happy to report that Gooding County P&Z will begin working on a "wind energy"ordinance that will include guidelines for met tower marking
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