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Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:10 am

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Grassstrippilot wrote:Fish Lake is one that I have yet to visit that I have been wanting to get to. So my question for those of you that have frequented there, what is the best time of year to go (runway condition, mosquitoes, temps, etc.)?


If I had a nose dragger I wouldn't do it. To many whoops for me. Those props are expensive. When I took off last year in the Maule I thought for a couple seconds I was on a motocross track in the whoops.

It is a pretty spot. I still like JC best.

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Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:01 am

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Seems fish lake would be pretty rough on the PA 28'S nose gear since it's got some holes and, as was mentioned, whoop de doos... interesting about the wild life not being there as in the past... I noticed the same at Chamberlain last time I was there... and there were many wolves in that area too...but the fishing was good as was Moose creek, which is always good...
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Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:29 pm

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Just get a high performance experimental and don't worry about takeoff performance anymore


I really like the way you think! =D>
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Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:58 pm

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Been there several times in my '56 182 with no problem.
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Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:43 pm

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dprathe wrote:Been there several times in my '56 182 with no problem.


Glad you haven't had any problems there.

kevbert wrote:To feel at ease at takeoff

2) I use the 70 / 50 rule to determine my last possible abort point, then adjust it back for obstacle clearance, runway conditions, etc. (The 70 / 50 rule says that you must attain 70% of your takeoff airspeed by the time you reach the half-way point). On a short strip I will occasionally take about a foot of toilet paper, lay it in the middle of the runway at my last possible abort point, and put a few pebbles on one end to hold it in place, so I can easily see it while looking straight down the runway. I've never aborted a takeoff since I started doing this, but it gives me great comfort to know that I can.


That is some of the best tips so far. Thanks Kevbert. I have heard of it before, but now will remember to use it as a comfort(stress) measure, and as a technique for when to abort.

I will not be going there yet. And if I do in my Pa-28 it will be with some one more experienced than I. The Pa-28 is a questionable machine, but I think with the right conditions its doable, I just don't need the stress :lol:

Thanks again for the responses and especially all the private messages.

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Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:13 pm

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Not to say I don't take a good long look or two before landing (pretty much like I do everywhere else). I also make sure to touch down on the mains first before easing the nose gear down, which I think is critical for flying a nosewheel airplane in the backcountry.
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Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:28 pm

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dprathe wrote:Not to say I don't take a good long look or two before landing (pretty much like I do everywhere else). I also make sure to touch down on the mains first before easing the nose gear down, which I think is critical for flying a nosewheel airplane in the backcountry.



If you have the energy to ease the nosewheel down understand you will need a much longer runway since by definition you are going too fast. Max performance landings mean the nose wheel comes down right now after the mains hit.
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Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:36 pm

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XKV8R wrote:
The Pa-28 is a questionable machine, but I think with the right conditions its doable, I just don't need the stress :lol:



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Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:19 pm

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182's and 206's work fine in there, just get it off in under 500' and rock. like rob said it is pretty bumpy, i just backed it up as far as possible, and hammered it, motocross style!
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Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:26 pm

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jomac wrote:182's and 206's work fine in there, just get it off in under 500' and rock. like rob said it is pretty bumpy, i just backed it up as far as possible, and hammered it, motocross style!


Keep in mind the elevation is around 5600'. I don't know any 182's or 206's that will fly in 500' at this altitude unless turbo charged and even then it's a stretch. I do agree with the motorcross style idea. Punch it, keep er straight and hang on!
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Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:41 pm

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66skylane wrote:
jomac wrote:182's and 206's work fine in there, just get it off in under 500' and rock. like rob said it is pretty bumpy, i just backed it up as far as possible, and hammered it, motocross style!


Keep in mind the elevation is around 5600'. I don't know any 182's or 206's that will fly in 500' at this altitude unless turbo charged and even then it's a stretch. I do agree with the motorcross style idea. Punch it, keep er straight and hang on!


Well remember he was in the trees once himself probably hit his head. Every now and then he reminds us all why he ended up in the trees. [-o<
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Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:41 am

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For landing, I don't consider Fish Lake to be a max performance backcountry strip, so I don't worry about crossing the threshhold at 60-65mph and easing the nosewheel down. For medium length strips like Wilson Bar, Lower Loon and Cabin Creek, I cross the threshhold at around 55-60mph and am still able to ease the nosewheel down fairly gently with room to spare, though not as gently as I would on a paved strip around home. For short strips (at least for my airplane) like Pittsburg and Mile Hi, I cross the threshhold at 50-55mph and pretty much smack it in. That said, if Fish Lake was only 700 feet long, being as rough as it is I'd think twice before landing there in a 182. I guess everyone has their own technique suited to their particular airplane and comfort level.
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Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:21 pm

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Fish Lake stays wet longer then most strips. June is still usually too wet too land. If you go in before July, I would talk to one of the local 135 guys for the conditions. Later July early August is good. We've had frost on the sleeping bags Aug.1 and Labor Day in Sept. is assured frost. Remember it is 7,000' high. Mosquitoes, small gnats, horse flies-terrible last year, are less prevelant after the frost. It is a fun place, beautiful 45 minute hike (one way) to the saddle, top of the ridge, to look down on the strip and lake. We like taking our inflatable kayak to float around the lake. It is a walk to the cabin, where the outhouse is, from where we like to camp. Or take your shovel and go across the strip. And like mentioned previously, no wildlife seen last summer. We could always count on moose at Fish Lake and fish at Moose Creek. Just a beautiful setting :!:
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Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:06 pm

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hell yes hit my head! in the weeds and the damn trees...! 182's with the 540's work OK in the short stuff, but u do have to be careful with the nose a little. crumpled a firewall or two before...soldier is rougher than fish lake to me, hard damn rocks in there and more technical...
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Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:05 am

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Remember it is 7,000' high.


Elevation-5646'
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Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:44 am

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Remember it is 7,000' high.



High and 'variable'....... :lol:

When the wind is on the tail, the weeds are tall, the day is WARM+, the down draft over the lake is present..........
It can be 'well over' 10,000.....

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