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Franklin made metal, problem fixed, need to clean out metal.

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Don't know much about helicopters either, but does that engine use anything resembling a prop governor? I've read that Continentals use a very fine filter just before the governor. If metal made it past the oil filter it'll show up in the screen at the governor.
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DavidB. wrote:Pulled all the oil lines
Pulled off 2 cylinders
Pulled out the oil pressure relief valve and a bunch of other stuff.

No metal, no damage. Been working on it since 9 am, left at 9 pm. Rebuilt half the tail rotor drive shaft while I was at it.
We will run it tomorrow on the ground and check for to see if there is any more contamination. I feel good about it and feel good about putting my signature on it after I do some more checks.
It is 9 degrees out, 55 degrees in the hangar. Wish it would fir in my 67 degree hangar but it is too tall for my door.

Good night.

D.


You did the right thing now you can sleep easier knowing you've got a clean engine =D>
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Re: Franklin made metal, problem fixed, need to clean out me

DavidB. wrote:Pulled all the oil lines
Pulled off 2 cylinders
Pulled out the oil pressure relief valve and a bunch of other stuff.

No metal, no damage. Been working on it since 9 am, left at 9 pm. Rebuilt half the tail rotor drive shaft while I was at it.
We will run it tomorrow on the ground and check for to see if there is any more contamination. I feel good about it and feel good about putting my signature on it after I do some more checks.
It is 9 degrees out, 55 degrees in the hangar. Wish it would fir in my 67 degree hangar but it is too tall for my door.

Good night.

D.


Please post the N number of this helicopter. That way ,if I even hear that number on my radio, I can go hide in the deepest cave I can find so it won't fall on me when the motor blows up... [-o< [-o< :shock:
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Re: Franklin made metal, problem fixed, need to clean out me

DavidB. wrote:Pulled all the oil lines
Pulled off 2 cylinders
Pulled out the oil pressure relief valve and a bunch of other stuff.

No metal, no damage. Been working on it since 9 am, left at 9 pm. Rebuilt half the tail rotor drive shaft while I was at it.
We will run it tomorrow on the ground and check for to see if there is any more contamination. I feel good about it and feel good about putting my signature on it after I do some more checks.
It is 9 degrees out, 55 degrees in the hangar. Wish it would fir in my 67 degree hangar but it is too tall for my door.

Good night.

Did you pull the rods off the crank and inspect the rod bearings? If you didn’t, you’re not looking in the right place for metal damage. While you’re at it, remove the lifter’s one at a time and inspect the sides of the lifters for scratches, if there are scratches on the sides of the lifters, metal made it that far. In any case the hydraulic elements have to be bled down before you can reassemble the engine.
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I though I would update this. I don't want to be thought of as a hack who would return an engine to service thats not right, ever.

After running the engine, changing the oil, and then running it some more, there was still metal showing up. I told the owner that he had one option, complete tear down. I also found, pointed out, and made record of several other issues that would need to be taken care of before I would sign anything that in any way would be construed as a statement of airwortiness.
I got told where to stick it.

I do things right, I am a control freak about it. I have a spotless hangar, nice organized tools that I know how to use, and an outstanding reputation in the motorcycle world as a mechanic. It still may be early in my return to a career in aviation, but every project I take on is, and will be prefect. Not just good enough, perfect.
I was hesitant to walk away at first. I like the guy and want to see his business suceed, and I was broke for the first time in a while and needed the money. No amount of money (if there was actually enough money, overhaul wouldn't have been an issue) is worth staying awake at night wondering if it really is going to last or if my gut is right, and this engine is done.

Ok, good bye.
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Good on ya!

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DavidB. wrote:I though I would update this. I don't want to be thought of as a hack who would return an engine to service thats not right, ever.

After running the engine, changing the oil, and then running it some more, there was still metal showing up. I told the owner that he had one option, complete tear down. I also found, pointed out, and made record of several other issues that would need to be taken care of before I would sign anything that in any way would be construed as a statement of airwortiness.
I got told where to stick it.

I do things right, I am a control freak about it. I have a spotless hangar, nice organized tools that I know how to use, and an outstanding reputation in the motorcycle world as a mechanic. It still may be early in my return to a career in aviation, but every project I take on is, and will be prefect. Not just good enough, perfect.
I was hesitant to walk away at first. I like the guy and want to see his business suceed, and I was broke for the first time in a while and needed the money. No amount of money (if there was actually enough money, overhaul wouldn't have been an issue) is worth staying awake at night wondering if it really is going to last or if my gut is right, and this engine is done.

Ok, good bye.



Holy Shit................ :shock: :shock: :shock:


So..... now we have a heli owner who took his copter from the mechanic's shop, and you can bet your ass he is flying it..... and the motor is making metal... [-X [-X
Anyone want to place bets on how soon it will show up in the NTSB daily report? #-o
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If, you had put that engine back in service you would have been setting yourself up on several levels, and risked your reputation besides, you did the right thing by yourself and the customer, even if he does not know it or see it that way, sometimes; they stop, think about it, and come back as a loyal customers. The ones that always want it cheaper and ask you to sign off on it are not the ones you want to be associated with any way; they don’t care what happens to you or your reputation. And then there is that thing called Karma! Do solid work and sleep well at night.
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Great response, I'll second that.
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Not only flying, but flying for money, doing AG work. I am affraid of the situation in so many ways. He got his fixed wing comm ticket, and then got add on rotor. He has maybe 2 hours since his rotor check ride. Not sure how that works. If you have a fixed wing commercial, and then fly a helicopter for the same hours as you would fly for a private, why would you get a commercial heli license? Make no sense, I can see getting some time requirment credit because of navigaton and other things that are nearly the same, but the time in type makes no sense.
I am not sure any 56 year old helicopter should be flown, and flown for business. The guy wants to build a fleet of AG heli's. but he is looking at more old crap, I don't want a part in it.

The part that hurts is that I like him, and that he is one of the few enthusiastic people around where I live who think there may be some opportunities left in general aviation. Most guys around here are retired, and seem to either have trouble affording gas to put in the plane they have owned for 25 years, or are failing medicals and quitting, or going light sport.

I like wrenching on aircraft, and really need to find my niche. I caught on to Helicopters quickly, I like complex stuff that wants to fall apart, but for any real opportunity, I would need to go back to Alaska and get back on with the guys I worked for last summer. They were sad to see me go, but at this point in my life, I can't see living in the bush. especially not King Salmon.

I think I will go back to my old plan. Light sport, and 4 stroke Rotax engines, while still doing some speciallty work on european bikes. I have a lot of metric tools (maybe all the ones in the Snap On book, unless they added some) and light sport may be the future of GA.
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