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Good news. Aviation fuel development.

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Re: Good news. Aviation fuel development.

RobBurson wrote:New GA Fuel Promises Better Range, Lower Cost

"Not only can our fuel seamlessly replace the aviation industry's standard petroleum fuel [100LL], it can outperform it," says John Rusek, a professor at Purdue University and co-founder of Swift Enterprises. The company recently unveiled a new general aviation fuel that it says will be less expensive, more fuel-efficient and environmentally friendlier than any on the market. Unlike other alternative fuels, Rusek said, SwiftFuel is made of synthetic hydrocarbons that are derived from biomass, and it can provide an effective range greater than 100LL, while costing about half as much to produce. "Our fuel should not be confused with first-generation biofuels like E-85 [85 percent ethanol], which don't compete well right now with petroleum," Rusek said. Patented technology can produce the 1.8 million gallons per day of fuel used by GA in the U.S. by using just 5 percent of the existing biofuel plant infrastructure, the company said.

The synthetic fuel is 15 to 20 percent more fuel-efficient, has no sulfur emissions, requires no stabilizers, has a 30-degree lower freezing point than 100LL, introduces no new carbon emissions, and is lead-free, Rusek said. In addition, he said, the components of the fuel can be formulated into a replacement for jet/turbine fuels. The company now is working with the FAA to evaluate the fuel.

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1113-full.html#197810


As said don't hold your breath. When it is for sale at my airport I will buy it. I was told to zip my lip until all is done!
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Was that a stil in the back of your Maule the other day?? :lol:

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Was that a stil in the back of your Maule the other day?? :lol:

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You mean this? Um...maybe.

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This was on the thread on the AOPA forum when SwiftFuels was announced back in May:

From the patent:

"4-cycle engine fuel
17.5 grams of ethyl acetate were mixed with 17.5 grams of 2-methyl furan. 60 grams of mesitylene were then added, followed by 5 grams of corn oil, to form 100 grams of fuel of the present invention. The mixture was stirred until all components were dissolved. The resulting solution was then analyzed, and found to have an effective MON of 142, and an optimum "

If you think acetone or alcohol are good solvents they are nothing compared to furan or ethyl acetate. (mesitylene is 1,3,5 trimethyl benzene)

You could not run through a single tankful of this "fuel" without dissolving every hose, sealant and elastomer in the fuel system.

It would take just two tankfuls to accumulate enough in the crankcase to destroy every seal in the engine.

There are no replacement gaskets or seals for aircraft that could be used with these chemicals.

Using furan and esters for octane has been tried but it destroys fuel systems.

Making trimethyl benzene from acetone, ethyl acetate from ETHANOL and methyl furan from pentosan sugars (from biomass) is MUCH more expensive than they claim.


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Kirk I think it's Ed that has this place confused with Backcountrychemist :lol:
If you say so Ed, I believe you. I don't have any other choice because I have no idea what you said. I did get the bad part.
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N1593Y wrote:This was on the thread on the AOPA forum when SwiftFuels was announced back in May:

From the patent:

"4-cycle engine fuel
17.5 grams of ethyl acetate were mixed with 17.5 grams of 2-methyl furan. 60 grams of mesitylene were then added, followed by 5 grams of corn oil, to form 100 grams of fuel of the present invention. The mixture was stirred until all components were dissolved. The resulting solution was then analyzed, and found to have an effective MON of 142, and an optimum "

If you think acetone or alcohol are good solvents they are nothing compared to furan or ethyl acetate. (mesitylene is 1,3,5 trimethyl benzene)

You could not run through a single tankful of this "fuel" without dissolving every hose, sealant and elastomer in the fuel system.

It would take just two tankfuls to accumulate enough in the crankcase to destroy every seal in the engine.

There are no replacement gaskets or seals for aircraft that could be used with these chemicals.

Using furan and esters for octane has been tried but it destroys fuel systems.

Making trimethyl benzene from acetone, ethyl acetate from ETHANOL and methyl furan from pentosan sugars (from biomass) is MUCH more expensive than they claim.


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Looks like another knee jerk reaction that doesn't take into account the consequences of even engine components. Combine that to the labels on the ingredients trimethyl benzene from acetone, ethyl acetate from ETHANOL and methyl furan from pentosan sugars (from biomass).
and I for one wouldn't want to breath the gaseous waste from burning this fuel even if it did not destroy the engine.
Thanks Ed for putting this into perspective.
Is there any practical, functional, cost effective alternative fuel to your knowledge?
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They claim to have tested seals and hoses and find no erosion.

I am wondering if this stuff could cure my arthritis and improve my vision while giving me 2 gph performance on my O-540

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a64pilot wrote:No,
Kirk I think it's Ed that has this place confused with Backcountrychemist :lol:
If you say so Ed, I believe you. I don't have any other choice because I have no idea what you said. I did get the bad part.


I think Ed may have mis-stated some of the facts. As you can see from the following diagram, the pi bonding-anti bonding orbitals come together to form a Y and a Z orbital in which the Z orbital tends to increase the sigma bonds thereby increasing the energy.

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When these orbitals are subjected to blue dye and the high temperatures of an internal combustion engine, the bond order is reduced to 1.0 as can be seen by the following correlation diagram. When this happens in a sealed chamber constructed of machined steel and cast aluminum, the cast aluminum is forcefully and rapidly repelled from the hot cast steel...and when this happens, it means we can go fly!

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EPA denies Texas governor's ethanol waiver request
August 7th, 2008 @ 11:15am

LUBBOCK, Texas (AP) - The Environmental Protection Agency has denied a request from Texas to cut the federal ethanol mandate in half for a year in hopes of bringing down corn prices.

Allison Castle, a spokeswoman for Gov. Rick Perry, says EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson spoke to Perry about his waiver request by phone Thursday. Johnson is to announce the agency's decision publicly later in the day.

An energy bill passed in December requires that 9 billion gallons of ethanol be blended into gasoline, from next month through Aug. 31 of next year. Perry asked the EPA in April to drop the requirement to 4.5 billion gallons, saying demand for ethanol is raising corn prices for livestock producers and driving up food prices for people, too.
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Capt. Kirk wrote:
a64pilot wrote:No,
Kirk I think it's Ed that has this place confused with Backcountrychemist :lol:
If you say so Ed, I believe you. I don't have any other choice because I have no idea what you said. I did get the bad part.


I think Ed may have mis-stated some of the facts. As you can see from the following diagram, the pi bonding-anti bonding orbitals come together to form a Y and a Z orbital in which the Z orbital tends to increase the sigma bonds thereby increasing the energy.

Image

When these orbitals are subjected to blue dye and the high temperatures of an internal combustion engine, the bond order is reduced to 1.0 as can be seen by the following correlation diagram. When this happens in a sealed chamber constructed of machined steel and cast aluminum, the cast aluminum is forcefully and rapidly repelled from the hot cast steel...and when this happens, it means we can go fly!

Image



Good information Capt. Kirk but I think the orbital on the pi-bond should be left-handed and raised to the root of 3. That would prevent a premature ejaculation of the sub-bond on the sp2 orbital. But then I am a nit-picker. 8)
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Re: Good news. Aviation fuel development.

This is an old thread started on Swift Fuel. I am updating it as the company has reorganized in 2012 to better position itself within the aviation fuels industry. It has brought on board some senior expertise with petroleum industry experience with a new CEO in Chris D'Acosta and partnered that experience with that of Rob Broin the present CEO who will step aside but continue on the board . The Broin name in South Dakota is synonymous with biofuels since the 1980's and now more commonly known as Poet, the largest bio fuels producer in the nation and second only to Archer Daniels Midland in ethanol production. This combination of expertise may suggest a coming connection to plan for the large scale production of Swift fuel as ethanol plants can be modified for its production.

http://www.generalaviationnews.com/2012 ... ift-fuels/
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Zane wrote:It does sound too good to be true, but I am hopeful. Maybe they'll find a crop of super-resilient inedible biomass that grows well vertically.
Sewage. Right out of the first stage at the treatment plant. Lord knows we got plenty of it. Especially adjacent to large urban areas like Washington DC.

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Maybe they'll find a crop of super-resilient inedible biomass that grows well vertically.


We have it! :shock: and you guys keep sending them east to Maryland and Virginia for several months out of the year. #-o
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