If you are looking for ethanol free mogas you have probably heard of the web site www.pure-gas.org, which lists locations around the country to find sources.

The owner of the site has started a petition to send to EPA administrator Lisa Jackson, who actually has the authority to make sure ethanol free premium unleaded gasoline is available. You can sign the petition and add your comment at: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-pure-gas/

Please sign the petition if you need ethanol free mogas for your flying. If nothing is done by the EPA or state governments in the next year all gasoline in the U.S. will be E10 because of the unintended consequences of the federal RFS mandate in EISA 2007, which ironically is not a mandatory E10 law, but is having that effect.

Signed! Thanks for posting

Vick wrote:Signed! Thanks for posting

Me too.

I'm in. Looks like they need help, not 30 signatures yet. Even if you don't need it now, you might someday. Always good to have a choice!
Jerry

I just signed too but.... I did uncheck the boxes for D.O.W. and the other' keep in touch' box thingie.
My gut feeling is the website 'might' be harvesting signatures and using them for different topics. Hard to believe a what looks like an environmental site favors burning gas, in any sort. IMHO.

I signed it, forwarded to friends, and posted it on the FlyHusky forum.

bumper

Signed and posted on the Team Kitfox forum

Stol wrote:I just signed too but.... I did uncheck the boxes for D.O.W. and the other' keep in touch' box thingie.
My gut feeling is the website 'might' be harvesting signatures and using them for different topics. Hard to believe a what looks like an environmental site favors burning gas, in any sort. IMHO.

Thanks for signing it. pure-gas.org is a web site that allows people who find ethanol free gasoline to list the station so others can find it. It is the most successful site for what is a very difficult problem of spreading the word about finding E0 gasoline. It went viral early this year after an article in some national media and has been a rallying point for aviators, boaters, antique/classic car buffs, off road recreation vehicle enthusiasts and portable tool users. It was created by a gentleman who is trying to keep his classic BMW motorcycle running. It is definitely not an environmental site looking for signatures. Ironically aviation is the most "environmental" user of ethanol free mogas of all of the constituents that use pure-gas.org. Every gallon we use means we use one less gallon of leaded fuel. I urge you to go back and look at the web site pure-gas.org, especially if you are searching for ethanol free gas, and if you know of an outlet that isn't on the list, please add it.

N1593Y wrote:....... I urge you to go back and look at the web site pure-gas.org, especially if you are searching for ethanol free gas, and if you know of an outlet that isn't on the list, please add it.

And the opposite too please-- if you find that a listed outlet does NOT carry E-zero, gas, please take it off the list or at least make a note. I've got reports from a couple friends here in WA about a station or two that did not have E-zero, despite being listed on the pure-gas.org site.

hotrod150 wrote: And the opposite too please-- if you find that a listed outlet does NOT carry E-zero, gas, please take it off the list or at least make a note. I've got reports from a couple friends here in WA about a station or two that did not have E-zero, despite being listed on the pure-gas.org site.

Excellent point. Anyone can remove a listing if they find the provider no longer sells ethanol free fuel. It isn't limited to the person who put it on. Click on the station "Details" and click on the "Update" button, there is a "Remove This Station" button. If there is any question, leave a comment in the "Update Comments" section so that others can see it when they click on the station's "Details". It is pretty straight forward in Washington because the law requires the pumps to be labeled, but there are states that don't require pump labels, California being one of them, but then they have no ethanol free gasoline anyway. Strangely enough Missouri which is a mandatory E10 state does not require pump labels and it has a very broad exception for premium unleaded, but much of the premium unleaded has ethanol in it, so be careful out there.

If you click on the "monthly updates chart" at the bottom of the Stations page you will see a chart of the cumulative adds and deletes. I predict the deletes will overtake the adds at the Spring blending changeover and accelerate through the summer as the blending quota floods the market next year. Unless we do something this web site will shut down by the end of next year or early in 2012. It will be interesting to watch.

I signed the petition. Hope it helps!

Signed it

RB

I guess it's important to uncheck the boxes. Today they started pelting (not the fur kind) me with other green/liberal crap.

bumper wrote:I guess it's important to uncheck the boxes. Today they started pelting (not the fur kind) me with other green/liberal crap.

I can't for the life of me living here in Kaliefornia, Imagine that a tree hugging company from Redwood City would be thinking of my (our?) best interest's. I think I will do some real investigating how these guys are going to help me with my motoring needs. Here's an interesting link they represent- http://www.care2.com/causes/global-warming/ .... here's another one - http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/keep-o ... -aircraft/
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/133/558/152/

They might just be an innocent ol petition pushing group but I just don't trust hardly anybody that preaches green shit anymore.

signed it

Gildergeek -

Care2 petitionsite is NOT doing the petition.

http://www.pure-gas.org is using their free software utility to create a quick and dirty petition instead of writing the software himself. I believe you can opt out of any further messages from Care2 ... or join up and create your own petition on any subject. If you go to their site they have many petitions on all sides of the political spectrum, there might actually be some there that you really agree with. Some of them are hilarious.

Four of us working on the ethanol issue, two other pilots and myself, asked the owner of http://www.pure-gas.org who is a computer geek into classic motorcycles to do the petition on his web site because we are trying to get EPA administrator, Lisa Jackson's, attention and this also spreads the word about the web site as a source of information about where to find E0.

On a road trip to Provo, UT and stopped at Delle. Chatted with Cindy (the manager) and she is getting non eth gas at that station. This place has a gravel strip behind the station and you can taxi to the pumps. She just had an extra long hose installed on pump #1

Tim

Can't use it in my 180hp C-170 but I signed it for you guys. Some is available in Lolo up Highway 12.

I read an interesting article a few weeks back. It said that there are something like 280 million gallons of 100 LL produced a year. I'm thinking hey, they wouldn't blow us off with that kind of number. Then I read US fuel consumption for cars is 300 million gallons A DAY! Oops, we could be in trouble.

Slainte wrote: Can't use it in my 180hp C-170 but I signed it for you guys. ......

I've heard this before, but the Petersen Aviation brochure sez their cargas STC includes the C170/A/B airframe and quite a few versions of the Lyc 0-360, including the A1A. Most of the 360's do require 91 octane minimum. I think the EAA cargas STC maybe only covers low compression engines that only require 87 octane.

What is the compression ratio of the O360 in question?

tim