I forgot to mention in the video is that the Cessna 170 the pilot needs to lead every turn with rudder, because of adverse yaw, which does not happen in the 182 and specially the CJ6 I fly.

Looking good Motoadve and Jughead. Jughead, he has to see the slow enough to not damage the airplane ground loop at some point, yes?

Great video and good looking 170!!!!

Larry,

Just remember the old axiom, at taildragger is not done flying until it's put away in the hangar or tied down.

MW

180Marty wrote:Great video and good looking 170!!!!

^^^ X2 ^^^

Didn't notice any wheel landings in that video. Those can be awfully satisfying as well. Nice work.

Very nice low ground effect takeoff. Easier to stay low without so much horsepower. Grabbing all that free energy.

To answer your question (how much different to fly a t/w airplane?):
it's exactly the same as flying a nosedragger, but it's completely different.
If you fly a nosedragger properly, you could just hop in a taildragger & do just fine--
I've seen people do it.
But most people (including me) develop bad habits & laziness flying nosewheel airplanes
which a taildragger won't tolerate (not for long anyway!).

Re pushing the tail up on takeoff,
I like to trim my airplane so that it comes up pretty much by itself--
so no "un-natural" flight control input required.
Plus it seems to require less right rudder that way.

Although the pre-printed tailwheel endorsement says "including wheel landings",
I wouldn't worry about them just yet--
get very comfortable with 3 pointers first & then work on them.
I've never flown with him, but I'm guessing Jon is both an excellent instructor as well as fun to fly with.

I enjoyed your video, I can recognize most all the places you landed.
I did notice that early-on in the video you landed short of rwy 7 at Monroe--
it looked pretty soft, that could have been a real bummer.
Another thing to keep in mind flying a taildragger
is that it can be much more prone to a nose-over--
mud, snow, etc should be approached with caution.

If you think that's adverse yaw, you ought to try an A model.

Zzz wrote:If you think that's adverse yaw, you ought to try an A model.

I was thinking that every 182 I've flown also has adverse yaw. Heck, even my 206 with frise ailerons to help with adverse yaw still has adverse yaw. Not as noticeable, but still have to lead the turn with rudder...

From the precision of putting the airplane horizontally exactly where you wished in your videos, Motoadve, I expect you were leading rudder correctly in the 182 as well. Yes, the nose going opposite the bank initially when we don't lead rudder is more evident with less wing warping and frieze ailerons, The hiding of adverse yaw, rather than elimination as with the Ercoupe, leads to slow rate of turn in modern airplanes because rudder is not led, Your having already dealt with the harder to see adverse yaw has well prepared you for the nose going opposite the bank more severely in the 170 than the 182. Good job all around, you and Jughead.

A1Skinner wrote:

Zzz wrote:If you think that's adverse yaw, you ought to try an A model.

I was thinking that every 182 I've flown also has adverse yaw. Heck, even my 206 with frise ailerons to help with adverse yaw still has adverse yaw. Not as noticeable, but still have to lead the turn with rudder...

Every airplane with ailerons, I expect...

Zzz wrote:

A1Skinner wrote:

Zzz wrote:If you think that's adverse yaw, you ought to try an A model.

I was thinking that every 182 I've flown also has adverse yaw. Heck, even my 206 with frise ailerons to help with adverse yaw still has adverse yaw. Not as noticeable, but still have to lead the turn with rudder...

Every airplane with ailerons, I expect...

I think so as well...

That was very nice aircraft handling Moto.

What engine/hp do you have in that bird?

Actually several of those were tailwheel-low wheel landings. Later he did a nice job of "de-flaring" style of wheel landings.

My Sedan was a big time rudder airplane. My 180 is like driving a car in comparison.

I always liked the old adage "if your feet aren't moving, the nose is."