Is 1400 feet doable in a 182?
How short is short for a 182 with Horton kit?

I have been invited to a 1,400 feet grass runway, to me seems doable, I plan to go me and a friend and 40 gallons.
Grass doesnt help when braking though.

This one.

Go to the last minute to see the landing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NL3wOzuyPU

1400 sounds very long to me for a 182 with a Horton kit. Of course, you will need to factor in altitude, temperature, wind, etc.

And ability

I would say the plane is capable but are you?
Why not just find a larger grass strip and mark off 1400' and make a few attempts and see how it goes or a paved strip and use light braking.


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I operated my 182 out of a 700 foot strip at low altitude, and modest loads. But I strongly suggest you get used to flying slow, and practice, practice, practice. As mentioned previously, the pilot is usually the weak link.

No disrespect here, but if your asking that question on that strip, you should continue to practice...

Have had the 182 land and get out of 600' here at 6000' (light). As mentioned above, consider your density altitude, winds, etc.

You SHOULD be fine on that one, but go practice.

Besides the good recommendations above why don't you consider going into this strip the first time by yourself and with minimum fuel/weight?? I also did not see any mention of obstructions on either end of the strip. Good luck.

Go out and mark off 1400ft on a longer strip and practice until your sure of yourself.

Im glad I asked, thanks for great advice.
There is a 3,000 ft grass runway 30 miles from this one.
Thats exactly what Im going to do practice there , when I do 10 landings in a row less than 1,400ft.
Im going to the other one.

If Im asking is because Im not sure , and I shouldnt try if Im not sure.
I should try only if I know I can do it.

This guy took me out and demonstrated in my plane. As promised, on and stopped in 400 ft on my first try. Get instruction and practice.

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Ok, I have read a few of the responces to your short field landing questions and have not seen one I like yet. I have a lot of 180 time and have landed it in less than 300 ft over 1000 times with this safe and consistent technique. Go fly your 182 at 50 mph with full flaps and hold altitude and you will notice that it is flying fairly level. Now reduce your manifold pressure to get a 500 ft per min decent and get the feel of that. Now pull back on the yoke just enough to reduce your decent to 200 ft. Now this is the amount of yoke movment "from 500ft to 200ft" that you MUST remember, more later on this. Now go to a airport with a marked threshhold or numbers ect to focus on. Here we go , get out on a little bit on a high final and settle into that 50 mph no decent attitude and "DO NOT" move your yoke for pitch "At All" then pull your power back to 500 ft drop per min as practiced , still not moving the yoke. You want to pretend that you are on a string aimed for 75ft before the intended touchdown area. Adjust to stay on the string with throttle only. At 20 ft AGL pull your yoke back that amount that you practiced for the 200 ft then freeze your yoke again and let the airplane fly gently onto the ground right where you wanted to. Dont chase the flare around. You wont believe now consistent this technique is and the airplane will never bounce. You need to get on the brakes right away and pull back on the yoke all the way below about 30 mph . Bet you use less than 400 ft the first try.flyin180
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As we all know, landings are seldom the problem. You can land a plane in a lot of places that you won't be able to take off from. As pointed out in the other post, you can land a 182 in a few hundred feet without too much effort. However, taking off is another story. Of course all the normal factors that have been mentioned have to be taken into account, but fully loaded you're going to eat up most of that distance. At a lighter load as you are planning, you should be fine. Especially if it is cool. I can usually get off in under 700 ft. depending on the runway. But like the others have said, go out and practice, be proficient, and know what you and your planes limits are. Then go have fun!

Oh, and put any weight you can ( bags, passengers) in the back. This makes a difference especially for the 182.

Went to the field ,was 1200 ft and with no go around and we had 10kts tail wind.
10 ft behind the numbers are a palm tree plantation about 60ft high.
On the approach end there is an electrical cable 10 ft above the numbers.

No way I was going to attempt that.
Did two slow fly bys.
Felt like a noob,(Im a neewbie really) and remembered Im only a 280hr and 1 year old pilot and I felt like it.
I felt I had like a 75% chance of making it.
Will only do it when I have 100% confidence.

I saw the ultralights doing it but they used almost all the runway when landing.

The owner said he is going to fix the cable at the approach end and extend the runway 300ft more.

I'd say that was the right choice.
Not to run u down at all, but in a couple years you'll look back and be shocked to realize how crappy a pilot you are now. The secret is to make it to that point and it sounds like u will.

Good choice. Now go find a flight instructor who knows how to WORK a 182, and get some dual working the airplane, both on landing and takeoffs.

If you don't learn SOMETHING every time you fly, you weren't paying attention. Sounds like you learned. The internet is not a GREAT place to LEARN to fly. Good tips around, some good ideas, but the proof is in the flying.

Keep up the good work, and enjoy that airplane.

MTV

Well I practiced and practiced, went to a long grass strip, put a mark at 600ft and at 750ft.
Practiced at my local airport all the time.
All attempts I stopped before the 600ft mark.

Went to the 1,200 ft strip 3 landings ,all I stopped at about halfway of the runway, had lots of fun!!!










I have to confess the Sportsman kit helps a lot, its a big improvement over the Horton.

Ary you saying that you took off a Horton and put on a Sportsman?

Tim

Yes and the difference very noticeable , an approach at 50 mph now is more stable than with the Horton at 60mph.And now with enough elevator for the flare.Where the Horton felt like falling from under me at 60mph.
(I had VGs on the Horton and now also have them)

I am betting that its not the Horton vs Sportsman in this case...Its more like Motodave at 200 hrs vs Motodave at 3 or 400 hours???

AKT

No, as soon as I took the Horton and put the Sportsman, the very first attempt short landing was the first exit of the runway 27 at my local field which is at 800ft, I made it with almost 200 ft to spare, were before (2 weeks before) I will barely make it 2 of 4 attempts and with hard braking making the 800ft exit.

The difference was noticeable in the first flight, also took the flap gap seals, that should help too.
Take off distances also shorter, now at lower speeds is already flying.

For normal landings if I use same speed as before (Horton) 70mph it will float forever, need to do them at 65 or 60mph when light.