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How to make shorter landnings?

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How to make shorter landnings?

How do I make shorter landnings - except landning with the skis down? SE-BCM short landning (110 meter) at Mora airport, Sweden. Zero wind, + 17 Celsius, 250 kg payload.
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Re: How to make shorter landnings?

From about 500 meters out,where the film starts, to touchdown slowly and softly, the airplane APPEARS to close with the camera at a brisk walk. The airplane does not APPEAR to speed up. This means that from about 500 meters out, the airplane is actually both slowing down and losing altitude.

Turn this optical illusion around, and the pilot, from about 500 meters out, is pitching up a bit to reduce airspeed below 1.3 Vso to prevent apparent speed increase and adding enough power to keep desired sink rate to a slow and soft touchdown.

All very nice.
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Re: How to make shorter landnings?

Thanks contactflying,

and observe - when the speed is stable, but slow - the flare out is less than 20 f. before touch down.
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Re: How to make shorter landnings?

Yes! By using power/pitch to prevent speed up of apparent brisk walk rate of closure, you eliminated the need to round out and close the throttle. With both power and pitch still effective, you could control both forward speed and vertical speed all the way to touchdown slowly and softly wherever you desired. You eliminated both the need to close the throttle and the need to float in ground effect until speed dissipated.
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Re: How to make shorter landnings?

NICE, Stinsoner!

Here's a shot of me doing the same, in my much lighter Rans S-7S, but on the skis, right at 10:35 in.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmTK-fdqe_M&t=674s

As contact flying says, even though our planes are different, we both are landing about as slow and short as feasible, or so it would appear, (at least our videos look similar). Don't know about your bird, but mine needs to be loaded a bit, about 50-75 lbs. in the rear, to really nail these real slow landings. Just today, landing in a mountain meadow at 7K (back on the Airstreaks for the summer) and NOT having anything onboard at all other then my emergency signal kit and tie downs, I noticed I could not "float" it in as slow as when loaded a bit.

BTW, I have landed on grass, on skis, and in deep snow with the wheels down (DATUM retracts) and I can tell you, for sure it will shorten the landing up quite a bit #-o
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Re: How to make shorter landnings?

That video makes it look like an awesome evening to be flying in Sweden.

Looks like you skipped a little on touchdown. If you could eliminate that (I won't begin to act like I know how immediately), it seems like you'd shave a good 15-20% off the landing.

I recently got my first dose of stinson time in a 10A (160hp) and 108-2 (210hp) and wow are they fun.
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Re: How to make shorter landnings?

asa: Yes, but I always landing on the main landing gear, normally don't jumping. A 3-pointer give me some feet shorter roll out, but the backside is losing the sight in the front, and with a 2-pointer the directional control is so much easier with the tail still is up the air.

I also could have rised up the flaps, but - If necessary - without the http://ezflaphandle.com I prefer to focus on the strip, and in this case, to have a fullstop landning in front of the camera.

courierguy: Nice videos, Your bird is way lighter and therefore give You som much fun. Cons!
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Re: How to make shorter landnings?

17C, no snow in sight on the background mountains-- curious why the wheel ski's?
Was it snowy where you departed from?
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Re: How to make shorter landnings?

hotrod180: Some 100 nm away there is higher situated snow-covered terrain, even in late spring.
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