TomW wrote:Hey Z,
Any spare time to get over and talk to Aerosport about a 540 for your BH?

I think they were closed for the weekend! I would have loved to have gone in and chatted with them.

Zane, sure glad you're getting some reward for all the work you've done to make the website a success. I always remember the Otter landing at Whitehorse and watching the Pacer groundloop in slow motion at Watson Lake.

"We're not carrying chains with us, we're carrying ropes, so I think we're good."

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Hmmmm, there is a picture of a Red and White Super Cub in this thread that looks a lot like the one you guy's are flying tied down with chains.

The reason I am so persnickety about this is because when I was 15 years old I watched the wing of my neighbors Super Cub fail at the strut attach point for this very reason. No, he did not survive. Very disturbing to see.

Like Mike said, it doesn't take much wind for damage to the critical area of the strut attach point.

G44

Zzz wrote:Maybe someone should write to the FAA about the thousands of airports that have chains for tiedowns, sounds like a bad deal

IIRC some part of the alaskan FAA is where I first learned of this issue.

Whip: I am bummed I didn't see this thread before you left! As I e-mailed you yesterday, I hope you get a chance to see John F and JM in Whitehorse. Logan would have given you a beer or two as well. Maybe next time. PS How long are you going to try and grow that billy goat thing on your chin??

FloatFlyer wrote:How long are you going to try and grow that billy goat thing on your chin??

Oh just until my jawline is a little more defined and I can afford to buy a chin.

In Fort St John taking a leak and getting fuel, next stop Fort Nelson.

I talked to JM and we'll prob see him tomorrow at Whitehorse.

Since you are continuing on to Fort Nelson I will probably not catch up with you at the airport as I headed out for Kamloops this morning in the 180 will be back this evening, enjoy the rest of your flight, I might see you in Anchorage at the Airmans as we are leaving Wed or Thur probably.

Z, We should pick a time and place for a BCP gathering at the trade show. It sounds like there will be a bunch of us there.

Just watched you fly over the house. Have a great flight Karen

Zzz wrote:

FloatFlyer wrote:How long are you going to try and grow that billy goat thing on your chin??

Oh just until my jawline is a little more defined and I can afford to buy a chin.

In Fort St John taking a leak and getting fuel, next stop Fort Nelson.

I talked to JM and we'll prob see him tomorrow at Whitehorse.

Toad River is a good overnight stop. Motel right across the highway, with restaurant, good gravel strip. Gets you past the tight spot in the big rocks on that segment anyway.

MTV

Cub180 I'm sorry we missed you! I'm having a hard time managing connecting with people and moderating my get-there-itis. I totally spaced that you were at Ft St John, I was high after flying through the mountains.

Zzz wrote:

FloatFlyer wrote:How long are you going to try and grow that billy goat thing on your chin??

Oh just until my jawline is a little more defined and I can afford to buy a chin.

In Fort St John taking a leak and getting fuel, next stop Fort Nelson.

I talked to JM and we'll prob see him tomorrow at Whitehorse.

Tell him Hello from Deb and I, tell him he missed some poor skiing!!

Guys, enjoy your trip north, we've done it several times!

Mau Mau, facts about the trench. The trench is a popular route, basically between MacKenzie (CYZY) and Watson Lake (CYQH). The distance is 350 miles. There is no fuel! You fly one magentic heading of 300 degress, do not turn off course. The trench has always been a favorite shortcut, saving 200 miles and eliminating the need to cross and recross the Rockies. There are approximately 13 emergency airstrips in the trench. When you get fuel at MacKenzie they give you a little map and description of some of the native strips. Some are friendly, some are very unfriendly. It is usually the kids that cause the problems. The trench rises in elevation to 3,500' just north of the end of Williston Lake, which is 110 miles long at an elevation of 2,205'. Bad weather can bunch up on either side of the 3,500' pass in the middle of the trench, just past the lake.

One of the cool places that we really liked is 60 miles south of Watson Lake, called Scoop Lake. We fly up there just to go and then head home. Basically, owned by a family, Darwin and his family. They are in the guiding outfitter business. When you land, you put your plane in the corral, to keep the horses away from the planes. We have landed there, when they are rounding up the horses, (that were turned loose for the winter) rounding them up with a Supercub and a Beaver. I believe they have 4 or 5 radio collars on lead horses. We went up to go fishing and hang out. Steel gloves needed for catching the sharp toothed fish.

IN a pinch Darwin will sell you AV gas, remember it was flown in by a Beaver. Very expensive! We ususally just go up to Watson Lake for fuel.

Scenery is jaw dropping!

John & Lora Lee

BeeMan wrote:Z, We should pick a time and place for a BCP gathering at the trade show. It sounds like there will be a bunch of us there.

Definitely! I don't know enough about the show and premises to make a good suggestion for that, but for those who know the scene, pick a spot and a time. I love microbrews. I've got a few phone numbers, but it's going to be a real rodeo meeting everyone if I have go to separate dates. Toss out some ideas.

Z

Zzz wrote:

BeeMan wrote:Z, We should pick a time and place for a BCP gathering at the trade show. It sounds like there will be a bunch of us there.

Definitely! I don't know enough about the show and premises to make a good suggestion for that, but for those who know the scene, pick a spot and a time. I love microbrews. I've got a few phone numbers, but it's going to be a real rodeo meeting everyone if I have go to separate dates. Toss out some ideas.

Z

Supercub.org usually hosts a blowout at the Millenium hotel on Lake Hood. Bring your aloha attire and hang out on the deck watching float planes. (Not actually sure if the ice is out yet??) That's a good time and traditionally open to all. Plenty of microbrews to be quaffed in Anchorage. Moose's Tooth and Bear Tooth are both Anchorage landmarks, but they're also a zoo pretty much every hour of every day. It's a little ways out of town, but I like Midnight Sun Brewing company for the beers, the food, and for not being as crazy as some of the other spots. Good for a gathering of up to 10, probably.
I'll be staying downtown. Walking distance from Glacier Brewhouse and the Snowgoose. Where are other people staying?
-DP

I'm with denalipilot on the BCP shindig. Would be great to corral everyone at one location to BS and drink a few.

Little John wrote:Guys, enjoy your trip north, we've done it several times!

Mau Mau, facts about the trench. The trench is a popular route, basically between MacKenzie (CYZY) and Watson Lake (CYQH). The distance is 350 miles. There is no fuel! You fly one magentic heading of 300 degress, do not turn off course. The trench has always been a favorite shortcut, saving 200 miles and eliminating the need to cross and recross the Rockies. There are approximately 13 emergency airstrips in the trench. When you get fuel at MacKenzie they give you a little map and description of some of the native strips. Some are friendly, some are very unfriendly. It is usually the kids that cause the problems. The trench rises in elevation to 3,500' just north of the end of Williston Lake, which is 110 miles long at an elevation of 2,205'. Bad weather can bunch up on either side of the 3,500' pass in the middle of the trench, just past the lake.

One of the cool places that we really liked is 60 miles south of Watson Lake, called Scoop Lake. We fly up there just to go and then head home. Basically, owned by a family, Darwin and his family. They are in the guiding outfitter business. When you land, you put your plane in the corral, to keep the horses away from the planes. We have landed there, when they are rounding up the horses, (that were turned loose for the winter) rounding them up with a Supercub and a Beaver. I believe they have 4 or 5 radio collars on lead horses. We went up to go fishing and hang out. Steel gloves needed for catching the sharp toothed f

IN a pinch Darwin will sell you AV gas, remember it was flown in by a Beaver. Very expensive! We ususally just go up to Watson Lake for fuel.

Scenery is jaw dropping!

John & Lora Lee

Darwin and Wendy, and his Girls are the salt of the earth!!!!! Stop and say hello if you can, Bring wendy a hanging pot of flowers, you will have a great dinner!!
Corral also keep the elk from rubbing on your bird!!

G44 wrote:"We're not carrying chains with us, we're carrying ropes, so I think we're good."

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Hmmmm, there is a picture of a Red and White Super Cub in this thread that looks a lot like the one you guy's are flying tied down with chains.

The reason I am so persnickety about this is because when I was 15 years old I watched the wing of my neighbors Super Cub fail at the strut attach point for this very reason. No, he did not survive. Very disturbing to see.

Like Mike said, it doesn't take much wind for damage to the critical area of the strut attach point.

G44

I went to an FAA safety meeting that talked about this issue a couple years ago. Apparently it's also happened to at least 2 super cubs that were tied down with ropes. The FAA/NTSB investigations determined that the cause there was the Bushwheels. The big soft tires allowed the plane to rock and alternately pop the ropes tight, eventually cracking the strut attach brackets. Someone now makes a tiedown ring for Cubs that attaches to the spar just outboard of the struts that's suppose to eliminate that problem.

Atlee Dodge makes the straps which go over the front spars outboard of the strut attach point. Frankly, I can't believe they aren't standard equipment on all Cubs these days.

MTV

Bear_Builder wrote:I went to an FAA safety meeting that talked about this issue a couple years ago. Apparently it's also happened to at least 2 super cubs that were tied down with ropes. The FAA/NTSB investigations determined that the cause there was the Bushwheels. The big soft tires allowed the plane to rock and alternately pop the ropes tight, eventually cracking the strut attach brackets. Someone now makes a tiedown ring for Cubs that attaches to the spar just outboard of the struts that's suppose to eliminate that problem.

Best advice I've seen regarding chains was to get them as tight as possible with the adjustments then push the airplane back so they are taught. That takes the slack out.

Good times, Z! Have a blast.