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Inhofe - Pilot Bill of Rights?

Anybody following this?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/10/sen-inhofe-strikes-back-at-faa-after-runway-run-in/

For once you have tasted the wrath of FAA Enforcement Action - you will forever walk the earth, with your eyes turned down, wondering how the heck this could have happened to you - and how in the world you could have been left almost absolutely defenseless.
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Re: Inhofe - Pilot Bill of Rights?

Yes. Getting some press up here with our Congressional delegation signing on to support it. I wasn't aware that the FAA has the ability to levy SIGNIFICANT fins administratively, and your only legal recourse is to appeal to . . . .<drum roll> the FAA.

While Inhofe was an a$$hat landing on a closed runway (I'm thinking the big X on the runway must have been obscured - NOT), I support passage of this bill because it does bring some level of recourse back to the everyday pilot. I haven't read the entire bill . . but I will.

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As mentioned in another forum, he may be an idiot but he is our idiot.

I don't think he is an idiot, he is of course very smart. But the level of truculence he displayed after being called out for this was staggering.

If anyone wasn't following the actual events when they happened, he actually landed with the workers in front of him, then was forced to lift off and pass over them at low level. And the he landed again, behind them #-o

If anything needs to be reformed it is a system that allows him to continue to retain a valid certificate without significant vetting of his abilities, IMO. Or perhaps reviewing his medical?

Oh and FAA enforcement actions are appealed to the NTSB. Hardly a rubber stamp process.
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Re: Inhofe - Pilot Bill of Rights?

dont be too judgemental about sen inhofes transgression of the runway under construction.believe me, if you fly long enough to enough destinations, you too will find yourself in violation of some reg or another. support his efforts to make sure you get a fair evaluation after you do commit a foul.
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once&futr_alaskaflyer wrote:As mentioned in another forum, he may be an idiot but he is our idiot.

I don't think he is an idiot, he is of course very smart. But the level of truculence he displayed after being called out for this was staggering.

If anyone wasn't following the actual events when they happened, he actually landed with the workers in front of him, then was forced to lift off and pass over them at low level. And the he landed again, behind them #-o

If anything needs to be reformed it is a system that allows him to continue to retain a valid certificate without significant vetting of his abilities, IMO. Or perhaps reviewing his medical?

Oh and FAA enforcement actions are appealed to the NTSB. Hardly a rubber stamp process.


I know the Senator. I hanger the next row over from him at Tulsa Riverside and i wish I had his health. What he is, is an avid capable pilot with a Cessna 314, an RV, and a Grumman Tiger that all regularly see more air beneath the wheels than the majority of private aircraft anywhere. Regardless of politics, or if you think him guilty in the oops that brought this to his direct attention if you pay attention to the facts will see that this is a serious issue for all aviators and general aviation appeals to the NTSB are typically a waste of time and money. Go ahead research it and see just how many findings are overturned in a system that allows the regulators to withhold evidence while it treats the accused as guilty until you prove your innocence. Look in the mirror and tell yourself you're happy with that.
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Re: Inhofe - Pilot Bill of Rights?

It's not often someone stands up for our rights. I've been flying since '73 and have seen my right to do so curtailed more year over year. I think I'll write a letter to the Senator thanking him for is efforts, offering whatever support a private citizen can, and copy my local congresscritters. And every last member of this board should do so as well.

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Re: Inhofe - Pilot Bill of Rights?

A summary of the status quo:

For violations of certain aviation laws and regulations occurring before December 12, 2003, the FAA has authority to issue orders assessing a civil penalty of up to $50,000. For violations of
certain laws and regulations occurring after such date, the FAA has authority to issue orders assessing a civil penalty of up to $400,000 against persons other than individuals and small
business concerns and against individuals and small business concerns the authority to issue orders assessing a civil penalty of up to $50,000.

An air carrier is subject to a penalty of up to $11,000 for a single violation of the aviation law or an FAA regulation occurring before December 12, 2003. Other entities are subject to a penalty
of up to $1,100 for such violations. For a single violation of the aviation law or an FAA regulation occurring on or after December 12, 2003, entities that are not small business concerns
are subject to a penalty up to $25,000 and small business concerns are subject to a penalty up to $10,000. There is no dollar limitation on assessments for violations of the Hazardous Materials
Transportation Safety Act or the Hazardous Materials Transportation Regulations, and the penalty for each violation of these requirements ranges from $250 to $30,000.

Before a penalty is assessed, an entity may appeal the notice proposing a civil penalty. A hearing before one of the Department of Transportation's administrative law judges (ALJ) is available.
Any decision by an ALJ may be appealed to the FAA Administrator.

For civil penalties in excess of the dollar limitation on FAA’s assessment authority (for other than hazardous materials violations), the FAA has authority to compromise a penalty. This type
of action is initiated when the FAA sends a civil penalty letter to an entity. The letter advises that the FAA believes the entity has violated a statute or regulation. The letter also states that the
FAA is willing to accept a penalty of a specified amount in resolution of the matter. An entity may pay this amount or another agreed-upon amount, including an amount less than $50,000 and
no adjudicated finding of violation is made a part of the entity's enforcement record. If an entity does not agree to the compromise, the case is referred to a United States Attorney for prosecution
in United States district court. There a penalty is assessed, if appropriate, and findings of violation, which serve as part of a certificate holder's enforcement record, can be made.
Final decisions by the Administrator or the district court may be appealed to a United States court of appeals.



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Re: Inhofe - Pilot Bill of Rights?

I could be mistaken, but he is (was?) also advocating for pilots of Supplemental carriers [like ACMIs (Atlas, Polar, Southern Air)] to be exempt of better rest rules for pilots in the United States. They work just as hard and have circadian rhythm issues flying all over the globe unlike domestic airline pilots.

Therefore, I resist to support him.
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I really have a problem with people trying to be my hero by covering my ass because he got caught fucking up his own ass. I appreciate somebody trying to straightening out bureaucracy, but this should have been done before he got caught trying to kill a work crew on a runway that he should have seen on his down wind leg. [-X
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Thanks for that video, Kevbert - I had not seen this previously.
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ZPilot wrote:I could be mistaken, but he is (was?) also advocating for pilots of Supplemental carriers [like ACMIs (Atlas, Polar, Southern Air)] to be exempt of better rest rules for pilots in the United States. They work just as hard and have circadian rhythm issues flying all over the globe unlike domestic airline pilots.

Therefore, I resist to support him.
Not that I know of but if so I would ask that you think of the issue at hand, thanks.
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Glidergeek wrote:I really have a problem with people trying to be my hero by covering my ass because he got caught fucking up his own ass. I appreciate somebody trying to straightening out bureaucracy, but this should have been done before he got caught trying to kill a work crew on a runway that he should have seen on his down wind leg. [-X

Well does that make it a bad bill not worthy of support?
In that case you're not for this because they should have done it sooner :roll: come on because somewhere today someone turned base to final runway XX!
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Oldcrowe wrote:
Glidergeek wrote:I really have a problem with people trying to be my hero by covering my ass because he got caught fucking up his own ass. I appreciate somebody trying to straightening out bureaucracy, but this should have been done before he got caught trying to kill a work crew on a runway that he should have seen on his down wind leg. [-X

Well does that make it a bad bill not worthy of support?
In that case you're not for this because they should have done it sooner :roll: come on because somewhere today someone turned base to final runway XX!


Not necessarily a bad bill, but a typically bad politician and bad piloting. The only reason this bill was introduced is to cover his own ass, not yours or mine or others that have gone through the FAA ringers, otherwise it should or would have been done long ago. This guy is obviously dangerous just like the senior citizen that pushes on the gas instead of the brake and bolts through the store window.
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Re: Inhofe - Pilot Bill of Rights?

I support him. I don't care what the reason he may have for introducing this bill but it is long over due.

If you are in aviation as a pro you have no rights. Just open your mouth some time. You can be put on the spot any time any FAA insp feels like it.

Just ask Bob Hover.

A bill of rights is long over due. We should get behind this to protect ourselves.
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