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InReach, SPOT, etc: Have You Used One In Anger?

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A1Skinner wrote:Man Rob, you should write a book. What a great story. Be great to buy you a beer and listen to some stories sometime. Or next time you head to Alaska you should stop in, I have grass camping and a bed and bathroom in my hangar. That offer stands for any of you guys coming through Alberta.


Thank you, that was very kind. In the unlikely event I ever write a book I hope it contains an amazing chapter about the time we spent in Alberta :lol:

I'd like to take you up on the offer next time through though, even if we don't write a book!

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Great story, Rob!

I have a similar, though much more benign story… my wife is a natural-born, highly-practiced worrier. One day I fielded an angry call at the fuel pumps when my inReach, after having been shut down at the turnoff to the ramp, failed to update a position beyond the heavily wooded area just shy of the airport. She was certain I was upside-down, doused in fuel, and breathing my last breaths after not making it to the runway.

Now I leave it on until I taxi in and shut down. I’ve got 2 minute intervals so that gets the landing and most of the taxi at most places.

To echo others, I use mine to text infrequently but it always works.
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Just got a glass of wine so story time it is. Went out on solo Caribou hunt (cause if we don't kill something we will have a hard winter according to reality shows) My wife was able to track location and I have spoiled her over the years with a nightly Sat phone call or Inreach update. Did not see any Bulls during the day and was brushing my teeth at the tail of the plane at 7 PM figuring I would quit hunting for the day because who wants to process something in the dark. But then I saw the Bull, he was walking down the hill toward the plane and 20 min later I knew we would not starve!! Now we don't just gut it and hang it because it has to fly out in the morning. Hide is removed, quarters and all meat removed from the rest of the animal, this is all sprayed with citric acid, put in heavy game bags, packed to the plane, and hung from the wings. Job was done and washed up by 11PM. Not bad for a 65 year old man. Pull out the In Reach to update the boss. 4 messages checking in from the her where are you/are you ok????? Now we happen to have working pilots in the family with lots of flying friends so by this time THREE different overflights from different company planes at daybreak had been arranged!! In her defense I was just 1 year out from a 7 bypass heart surgery an am very fun to snuggle so you can understand her worry. Well I was able to let her know I was alive, we would not starve, and please call of the overflights. My In reach is charged while in the plane and is programed to turn on and off with the plane. Always sends a start location but not shutdown location so I have to remember to do that myself. I am old so talking is normal not texting and prefer a sat phone in Alaska because I can call flight service and get the weather/cam reports. I have been just using my In Reach for the past 2 years and it is OK but will most likely fire up the Sat Phone program also as backup and for friends. I love the tracking of In Reach because I have several pilots and family following. I understand the new Sat phone can be set up to also track!! Something to think of if building from scratch. In the lower 48 a working SPOT or In reach should do the job of coms if the cell does not work. 406 ELT is a no brainer!!! It sends a location of where you are!! Very little searching required. DENNY
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At this point I'd just like to say how pleased I am to discover I am not the only one to have bumbled one of these, or to have made "the call of shame". :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sounds like I am in good company!

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I can think of dozens of times in my working days when I'd loved to have had a simple way to communicate in a non emergency situation.
Weather comes down in Kodiak, find a hidey hole, and park. Anybody at home know where you are, and that you're safe? Nope. Had an HF radio in the Beaver, but it would fairly reliably talk to California, but Kodiak? Nope. So, call KMI in San Fran, and ask them to patch you through. Sometimes it worked.

Etc. But, these new (and magical) systems require a bit of education and planning, for both the user and whoever is on the other end. The old story about "If a tree falls in the forest and nobody's there, is there a sound?" comes to mind.

As Rob and Denny pointed out, use of these things can cause some panic if not done right, and it's easy to screw up.

For several years, my spouse never really worried about me and my wanderings in airplanes. Then one day I came home and she asked how my day was and I said "Well, I wrecked the airplane". She kinda shrugged that off, since we had dinner plans with long lost relatives of hers. In fairness, I suspect she thought I was being my smart ass self.

Next day, we were in town, and I heard they'd brought the plane in. I told her I wanted to go look at the plane. She rolled her eyes. Till she saw the plane.

After that, keeping in touch became more important, and eventually easier as we started installing tracking equipment in our work planes.
But, as I pointed out to my boss, who's actually looking at those tracks at any given point in time, like on a Sunday morning, when I'm fifty miles north of the Arctic Circle landing a fairly tight oxbow slough? Answer: Nobody at work.

Lots and lots of benefits to In Reach, and well worth the cost, in my opinion. Waaaaay too many up sides, and very few down sides. Even a flat tire that starts as a non emergency, can get mighty uncomfortable. And, I know I've pushed harder than I really wanted to....flown in weather I shouldn't have, because I was on a flight plan, and didn't want to set off alarm bells.

Get one, learn how it works, teach your loved ones how this all works, and fly safe.

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Inreach, highly recommend. I have an older/larger one that stays in the plane. When the mini came out the wife insisted I get one to cover a lot of solo backcountry time on foot/bike/skis. Mini UX is a little more cumbersome but offset by the fact that it's always on me. Ironically the only use in anger was when a moto elected to hit me head-on on a rural road with no cell service. I was in a van so punching the SOS saved his life, mine was not in much danger. But the van sent an onstar alert so my wife got a text saying my airbag deployed with no details.. following up with a text that I was fine was a big deal. As people above have mentioned just be careful to set expectations with whomever you might communicate with.. a lot of stories of someone setting up breadcrumbs, only to have the recipients freak out and call the calvary when the breadcrumbs stop for something mundane like a dead battery. Subscription costs compare to about 4 gals of 100LL?
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Denny, why the citric acid?

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You can purchase food grade citric acid powder at most pharmacies or feed stores. When mixed with water and applied to game, citric acid slows bacteria growth and seals the meat with a layer of acidity that deters flies from laying eggs on the meat. My processor told my to use it. A quart spray bottle of water and large tablespoon of Citric Acid will be enough for single Caribou, 2-3 needed for a Moose. I did not think it would really hep keep flys from laying eggs but saw it actually work on a warm day North of the Brooks range with several other hunters that did not use it. They all had eggs on their quarters/meat bags within one hour of hanging the meat. I never had any issue with mine. I do not think it is right to let meat go bad or spoil, I even went as far as not to shoot anything the first 3 days of the hunt because of higher temps. DENNY
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Thanks,

Interesting. Luckily, if we get a warm spell here in the early season, we can usually get the meat processed or in a fridge within 24 hours. Even if we are in our tent camp, it's only 2 1/2 miles to town.

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The Garmin In Reach Mini and the Garmin subscription is one of the best investments that I have ever made. It saved us. The Lifeflight membership saved my bank account.
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flyer wrote:The Garmin In Reach Mini and the Garmin subscription is one of the best investments that I have ever made. It saved us. The Lifeflight membership saved my bank account.

Tell the story!
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flyer wrote:.....The Lifeflight membership saved my bank account.


Both LifeFlight and Airlift Northwest do helo medivac ops in my area (Puget Sound).
I believe they both offer memberships, but I don't know if they are reciprocal.
Has anyone here had any experience that can shed some light on this?

Also, it was my understanding (with Airlift NW anyways)
that you must have primary coverage (health insurance) that covers medivac costs,
and that your membership only covers your co-pay (typically 20%?).

I know from experience that a medivac from Port Townsend to Seattle will be billed out at about $20K.
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Yes, very good story, and ending - and cool that the airline pilot did some problem solving to get the Whitehorse number.

Also, Whee or others, what cell phone app leaves good breadcrumbs?
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Rob wrote: Coming from that direction there is a fairly benign ridge just before the airport which generally blocks your radio from the tower and if you have any of our bad habits your radar return is lost in ground clutter.


I did the exact same thing on Sept 13, 2001….wasn’t very funny and we didn’t get to fill our faces with pie.

I fly with the inreach and also have never had to actually use it in an emergency and have learned the exact same lessons as Rob, I however had my pings set at ten minutes and arrived at my camp and turned off the inreach at somewhere close to the 10 minute mark, which put my last ping of me and my kids out in the middle of lake of the woods. In the haste of securing the airplane and opening a beverage at camp I forgot to close my “flight plan” with my flight follower. And for whatever reason my cel didn’t lock onto a new tower for several minutes. Once my cel locked on to service I seen the panic of my flight follower and immediately got ahold of him, he was on the phone with the Herc. We now have refined our procedures and I will not turn off the inreach until I’ve made contact with my flight follower.

Great little device ….way better than the globalstar sat phone it replaced at a fraction of the price.

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dar636 wrote:Also, Whee or others, what cell phone app leaves good breadcrumbs?


I have not found one that I really like or that is really intended for this purpose. I keep waiting for one with this kind of use in mind, hit @oregon180. For now, I just use whichever workout tracker my wife is using which is currently Strava.
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dar636 wrote:Also, Whee or others, what cell phone app leaves good breadcrumbs?


I have not found one that I really like or that is really intended for this purpose. I keep waiting for one with this kind of use in mind, hit @oregon180. For now, I just use whichever workout tracker my wife is using which is currently Strava.
How many calories is a 1-hr flight worth? :D
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dar636 wrote:Also, Whee or others, what cell phone app leaves good breadcrumbs?


I have not found one that I really like or that is really intended for this purpose. I keep waiting for one with this kind of use in mind, hit @oregon180. For now, I just use whichever workout tracker my wife is using which is currently Strava.
How many calories is a 1-hr flight worth? :D


Haha. Idk, but it’s a lot more than I burn on the treadmill. Sure wish it counted…
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dar636 wrote:Also, Whee or others, what cell phone app leaves good breadcrumbs?


I have not found one that I really like or that is really intended for this purpose. I keep waiting for one with this kind of use in mind, hit @oregon180. For now, I just use whichever workout tracker my wife is using which is currently Strava.
How many calories is a 1-hr flight worth? :D


Haha. Idk, but it’s a lot more than I burn on the treadmill. Sure wish it counted…

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whee wrote:
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whee wrote:[quote="dar636"]Also, Whee or others, what cell phone app leaves good breadcrumbs?


I have not found one that I really like or that is really intended for this purpose. I keep waiting for one with this kind of use in mind, hit @oregon180. For now, I just use whichever workout tracker my wife is using which is currently Strava.
How many calories is a 1-hr flight worth? :D


Haha. Idk, but it’s a lot more than I burn on the treadmill. Sure wish it counted…

Image[/quote]Haha. We have the most fun though.
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mtv wrote:Landed, using up airplane in process.

MTV


That just might be the greatest single forum quote and relaying of experience I’ve read to date.

On InReach’s, I’m a major fan and early adopter. We used them outfitting instead of sat phones; a more reliable comm link as you’re sending so much less data to and from space than voice, much smaller, lighter, and weather resistant meaning you actually carry it, and far better battery life and recharging options.

We’ve had several near life threatening incidents supported with InReach’s. Two incidents of flash floods in the Great Bear Rainforest and stranded guides and clients caught in rising mountain rivers. One occasion an early jet boat rescue after the worst river run I’ve ever had to make, there were 200’ trees coming down the river you had to time to pass as they rotated and constant junk and flotsam plugging the jet. The other they swam to the closest place the floatplane could get to, after an all nighter getting ready to raft down hugging their gear. The full versions of those need beer to be properly relayed, or they’ll come through far too dried out and dull.

Then just this winter, yep winter, we had a grizzly aggressively approach two of our crew I’d heli dropped on a beach. They had nothing to defend themselves with, as we were heli skiing and they were investigating a winter hot spring. Bears were the last thought on our minds, but a hungry grizz was out and about. They hit the emergency button on the inreach, which got SAR involved immediately. Then locally we got two helicopters going thanks to the messages, and a boat from a nearby unassociated lodge, all moving within 15 minutes of the messages. One of the helicopters won the race, in atrocious convective snow squalls by the way.

There have been numerous other bear incidents (we used to hunt them professionally, not the bear’s fault typically we were in their house), resolved food and equipment shortages, clarifications of timelines that would have resulted in missed pickups, etc. It’s utterly a tool I never leave without, now that they exist. Get an inreach mini. :D
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