New iPAD Air 2 (purchased 10-MAY-15) will not connect to my Dual XGPS150. Old iPAD it works fine. IOS 8.3 on both.

Further reading:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/dualxgps170.php

Any suggestions would be greatly (immensely) appreciated . Thank you.

8GCBC wrote:New iPAD Air 2 (purchased 10-MAY-15) will not connect to my Dual XGPS150. Old iPAD it works fine. IOS 8.3 on both.

Further reading:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/dualxgps170.php

Any suggestions would be greatly (immensely) appreciated . Thank you.

There is a known bug in 8.3 connecting to bluetooth GPSes. I'm sure that's what you're hitting though I can't explain why the old iPad is working.

There is not yet a patch for 8.3 to fix this, but Apple has acknowledged the bug.

rw2 wrote:

8GCBC wrote:New iPAD Air 2 (purchased 10-MAY-15) will not connect to my Dual XGPS150. Old iPAD it works fine. IOS 8.3 on both.

Further reading:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/dualxgps170.php

Any suggestions would be greatly (immensely) appreciated . Thank you.

There is a known bug in 8.3 connecting to bluetooth GPSes. I'm sure that's what you're hitting though I can't explain why the old iPad is working.

There is not yet a patch for 8.3 to fix this, but Apple has acknowledged the bug.

I hear you! The bug is in 8.3 but, the older (3 years, no GPS or Cell) iPAD is working great with the external Dual XGPS150. Hope we see a fix soon.

Unfortunately the only thing you can do is to downgrade to iOS 8.2 - which is not technically supported by Apple. But there are web sites out there that have the 8.2 image with steps describing the operation.

I made sure not to upgrade to 8.3 because of this. I hope Apple has a fix in the next update. It's described all over the dual and apple support forums.

Sucks. Their solution is to not usre external GPS - and use the built-in GPS. If you don't have internal GPS, it double sucks.

The shitty part? It has been this way now for over a month and coming up on a month and a half. Good job apple.

I hope one day to purchase some stable technology for pilot flight planning not smoke and mirrors.

And...

I was mistaken both 8.3 devices are in error. Did a little more testing

Return the iPad and tell the merchant that the iOS if faulty and want one w/ 8.2 or lower.

I am still running 7.1.2 since the iPad does everything I want it to w/ that iOS I don't see any reason at all to upgrade and let the San Jose gear heads screw it up.

TD

TomD wrote:Return the iPad and tell the merchant that the iOS if faulty and want one w/ 8.2 or lower.

I am still running 7.1.2 since the iPad does everything I want it to w/ that iOS I don't see any reason at all to upgrade and let the San Jose gear heads screw it up.

TD

Hi Tom,

Good plan "B". I never thought of that. Very clever work around...

...Then just wait for 8.x with good external GPS hooks.

Instructions for how to downgrade the device to iOS 8.2:

http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-downgrade-ios-8.3-on-your-iphone-or-ipad/

soyAnarchisto wrote:Instructions for how to downgrade the device to iOS 8.2:

http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-downgrade-ios-8.3-on-your-iphone-or-ipad/

Thank you for the URL, Sir.

Admittedly a bit nervous to downgrade. But, I will check it out... My wife forwarded the same info from her work, she is a hack, like me.

I may just buy a newer supported GPS. Dang it! Dang it all!

I think it's fairly safe provided you stay away from any process that invovles "jailbreaking." All this is that someone has saved off the older iOS install image and you do a little trickery on your PC/Mac to fake iTunes into thinking that is the latest image. Not anything damaging or permanent. You can always reset the iPad to factory defaults and restore it again to the latest/greatest (8.3).

To my knowledge there are no bluetooth GPSs that work with 8.3 - everybody is pissed and waiting for a fix. You can use internal GPS if you have it or you can use a wifi based GPS like the Stratus from Appareo. But anything bluetooth-based is hosed.

Anyone using the external Garmin Glo there is an update from Garmin that appears to work around this. I am on iOS 8.3 and just updated the Garmin Glo and appears to be working now. I needed to restart iPad and re-pair the Glo though.

I got caught in the IOS 8.3 thing as well with a BadElf Pro and Ipad Air. Downloaded to 8.2 losing all music, pics, books and apps in the process. You will not be able to restore your backup made from 8.3 once you're back to 8.2. Further, info on the web says that the Beta version of 8.4 has the same bug that prevents passing GPS data to apps.

BadElf has a purchase program offering two GPS receivers that are 8.3 compatible, the Pro+ and the Lightning plug in for 50% of their suggested retail. I purchased the Pro + ($149 from BadElf) because of Apple's slow/no response to the 8.3 problem and the info about the 8.4 Beta.

While some may criticize non-TSO navigation equipment and slam Apple, I can buy a bunch of Apple and BadElf for the cost of a certified Garmin. It will give me more than enough nav accuracy and meet real world applications as well. You can bet that I'll wait a while before making the next IOS upgrade though.

Frank

fshaw wrote:While some may criticize non-TSO navigation equipment and slam Apple, I can buy a bunch of Apple and BadElf for the cost of a certified Garmin.

And also, the entire point of a beta period in something like IOS is to allow developers to test their products and report bugs to Apple. It's amazing to me that none of the Bluetooth GPS vendors were testing the IOS betas. I bet they are now.

rw2 wrote:

fshaw wrote:While some may criticize non-TSO navigation equipment and slam Apple, I can buy a bunch of Apple and BadElf for the cost of a certified Garmin.

And also, the entire point of a beta period in something like IOS is to allow developers to test their products and report bugs to Apple. It's amazing to me that none of the Bluetooth GPS vendors were testing the IOS betas. I bet they are now.

I am starting to point my finger at the GPS suppliers instead of Apple. There was no attempt to mitigate this, from what I am reading. But, Apple should allow a downgrade from a new OS ...nobody can be 100% sure on a new patched IOS. Nobody!

Looks like a lot of folks were asleep at the wheel on this (insert favorite expletives here) debacle.

fshaw wrote:
BadElf has a purchase program offering two GPS receivers that are 8.3 compatible, the Pro+ and the Lightning plug in for 50% of their suggested retail. I purchased the Pro + ($149 from BadElf) because of Apple's slow/no response to the 8.3 problem and the info about the 8.4 Beta.

Frank, thanks dude for guidance on the vendor. Where did you find out about the 50% off?

NZMaule wrote:Anyone using the external Garmin Glo there is an update from Garmin that appears to work around this. I am on iOS 8.3 and just updated the Garmin Glo and appears to be working now. I needed to restart iPad and re-pair the Glo though.

Garmin is vastly more reliable with legacy product support. Great work Man!

soyAnarchisto wrote:I think it's fairly safe provided you stay away from any process that invovles "jailbreaking." All this is that someone has saved off the older iOS install image and you do a little trickery on your PC/Mac to fake iTunes into thinking that is the latest image. Not anything damaging or permanent. You can always reset the iPad to factory defaults and restore it again to the latest/greatest (8.3).

To my knowledge there are no bluetooth GPSs that work with 8.3 - everybody is pissed and waiting for a fix. You can use internal GPS if you have it or you can use a wifi based GPS like the Stratus from Appareo. But anything bluetooth-based is hosed.

I appreciate the guidance. Right now I am in a crunch. Been getting ready to fly to Alaska, this is my first trip and it's taking lots of planning. Reading about Canadian airspace is very interesting.

Spent literally about 20 Hours configuring/loading this new iPAD Air 2. For my feeble mind...It's best to go with an IOS 8.3 compliant GPS and bite the freaking bullet. Who know? I may like the change?

Heck, I learned a ton about Apple during this debacle. I am not totally disgruntled, but very close!

Mahalo!

8GCBC wrote:Spent literally about 20 Hours configuring/loading this new iPAD Air 2. For my feeble mind...It's best to go with an IOS 8.3 compliant GPS and bite the freaking bullet. Who know? I may like the change?

Since you are making a change anyway, consider a stratus and foreflight. I really love getting weather in flight on cross countries.