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Military pilots train on back country strip

And I was lucky enough to have arrived at the private strip 20 minutes earlier. The plane had a 75' wingspan, note the wing tip clearance to the observer standing on the fence, where I WAS standing until my eyeball told me maybe not a good idea? Nothing like reverse/BETA thrust for the short strips, and they used it with gusto. The guys doing the flying were the youngest people there, go figure, they were having a great amount of fun and "working" both, always a good trick. The Polish built plane is favored for special ops activities, and apparently this short field training was part of that, note the rear doors that allow your SEAL team or whomever to cleanly egress the aircraft. It is really good knowing these guys are on our side!

The strip, one way, short but narrow.Image
The plane on short final, with less then 1000' left of the runway. Look at the hangar in the background, and the aerial view of the strip, to get an idea of runway remaining. Figure they were going about 60 or 70, maybe 80 mph still, note tall trees at end. This was ballsy stuff!Image
The plane would be handy for all kinds of things, a UPS van with wings.Image
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what kind of plane is that?
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Re: Military pilots train on back country strip

Looks like a PZL M28...
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It was at Indian Creek when we were there on Thursday and then at Chamberlain on Friday. Lori McNicholl is teaching the Air Force Special Ops guys how to fly the back country so they can go to Afghanistan. Her kid was flying around in an Apache and getting video of all the landings and takeoffs. Here's a takeoff I got of them at Indian creek.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfX-8LpShXA
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I saw these aircraft (usually the older AN-28 version that is basically the same aircraft) often in Africa. They couldn't land or take off as short as the DHC-6 we flew, but I have great respect for the Antinov aircraft. They are just so rugged and durable.
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I've seen a lot of these in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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what kind of plane is that?


Airframe Info
Manufacturer: Polskie Zaklady Lotnicze Spzoo
Model: PZL M28 05 Search all Polskie Zaklady Lotnicze Spzoo PZL M28 05
Year built: 0000
Construction Number (C/N): AJE 00323
Aircraft Type: Fixed wing multi engine
Number of Seats: 21
Number of Engines: 2
Engine Type: Turbo-prop
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Registration Number: N323FG
Mode S Code: 50674771
Certification Issued: 2011-05-10
Last Action Taken: 2011-05-10
Current Status: Valid
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Registration Type: Government
Owner: Us Air Force Special Operations Command
Address: Hurlburt Field, FL 32544
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Blackwater uses these alot. Had a friend that went to fly for them in Iraq. He tried to get me to go to, maybe if I was younger.
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courierguy wrote: The plane would be handy for all kinds of things,


A 3/4 scale version using two of the aluminum Corvette engines would make a fine back country "aerial motor home" for a family.
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There were two of those airplanes parked at McCall last night. I made a mental note to look up what they were, but due to the current state of my mental faculties, I forgot about them until this timely thread!
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Throttle Pusher wrote:Blackwater uses these alot.


The PZL's or Casa 212's?

I know our entire Casa fleet went to Afghanastan after I left Flight International, with the exception of one ship to Iraq. All with Blackwater.

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This is awesome stuff!
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Actualy it was the Casa 212's. #-o
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Re: Military pilots train on back country strip

Pretty cool. Thanks for sharing! I can't wait to visit that strip.
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A 3/4 scale version......would make a fine back country "aerial motor home" for a family.


Was this what you had in mind, Flap? Look at the size of the 'cabin'.....
This aircraft has the bonus of being amphibious.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_Global_Explorer

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Fondatio ... 1474800/L/

Here is the amazing designer/builder:

http://www.avidflyeraircraft.com/assets ... Wilson.pdf

By the way, both that were made have crashed. The first had trouble leaving 'ground effect' and clearing trees with the wing spoilers up. I do not know the story on the second ones crash, but if it was the same pilot.....?

Dean might sell you a copy of the plans if your looking for a experimental project. :)

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Re: Military pilots train on back country strip

I got a ride in the single engine Explorer (or whatever it was called, the smaller version), and it was a real thrill to get up and walk around in flight. It sat level on the ground, and was bigger then a mini van, smaller then a Class B motorhome, and would have been very nice to camp in. Think of the weight savings: no tent, ground cloth, etc etc. It had a small sink and a built in double bed.

BTW, if I had a Maule M-7.....I would have it rigged to sleep in, just saying. The times I slept in my my first S-7 (6'3" flat and level bunk, only 24" wide though) were great, no leaks or worries about the plane in the middle of the night as I was right there in it! The movement of the plane at night, a little rocking even though tied up due to a pretty good storm, was conducive for sleeping, pretty fun all in all. Getting woken up once by local police (Nampa Idaho) who asked for my "license and registration", while trying not to laugh, not so much. It allowed me to spend the night at an airport during a XC trip where a tent would have been verboten. This big Polish bird, oh yeah, it'd make a real nice camper!
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Very cool
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If you want something that has short field capability AND can deliver an ass kicking, this is what you need:

http://www.aircraftowner.com/videos/vie ... level_1126

It might even help to keep the grass from growing very high.
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Littlecub wrote:
Was this what you had in mind, Flap? Look at the size of the 'cabin'.....
This aircraft has the bonus of being amphibious.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_Global_Explorer.


Yeah, now that you mention it I was really fascinated by the Wilson Explorer aircraft. Dean Wilson is not nearly as famous and in demand as he should be. The aviation community needs to address him while he is still alive instead of waiting for the history books. Back when it was covered in the press, it sent my little brain spinning, wildly thinking on just how to lay out an inexpensive aerial camper or aerial motorhome type airplane. Several different options came to mind :

When I went to Lake Hood for the Airmen's show, I looked at the early Shorts Skyvan that is parked there, and considered that size and shape of an airplane (but with a STOL wing), but it uses two really thirsty turbines and would not be viable for an average owner. The Israelis have a similar little airplane called the Arava, but I think it uses turbines too. A boxy, square-ish homebuilt steel tube airplane laid out like a Caravan with the aluminum LS-1 engine could work well and be fairly efficient. The only way that this general type of airplane can be do-able for a homebuilder or avg. private owner is if it can work safely with a 400 HP LS-1 or a 300-350 HP airplane engine. Any more power will mean prohibitive fuel and acquisition cost. The AN-2 biplane would be a cheap STOL-capable solution (sacrificing the level floor) but it unfortunately uses the output of an entire oil refinery to operate.

On the really exotic side, believe it or not the Wainfan Facetmobile surprisingly demonstrated excellent STOL capability, and features very large interior volume with a very light structure. I have it on good authority from a friend of Barnaby's that he was considering a 3x larger version that was intended to be a family camper.
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Well, there is Wilson's Explorer II that was single engined and was big enough to easily replace a tent.......
No rocket, shaped like a BIG guppy, would be the size of about a van interior.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled ... 6947&sort=

Obviously not amphib like the Global explorer, but way cheaper to make/own/operate.
I stopped by Wilson's place in Grangeville many years ago and he had just finishing this project and said it flew nicely, but not very fast.....

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