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Re: Mountain commuter

I do not mean to be harsh, the OP asked a realistic question but I must say, commuting with a single engine airplane over the rockies when you "have to" be there is asking for trouble. I say a good car or truck is best for this. Now, if you are flying recreationally in the rockies and you can take the time to sit out wx and poor flying conditions the 182 is an EXCELLENT choice.

I have a Husky now but would like to add a 182 in the future if I can swing it. I have had many tail wheel airplanes including 2 185's and a 180 but I must say, unless you really need a tailwheel airplane such as a 180, 185 or Maule just get a 182, 205, 206. Much cheaper to insure, very easy to fly and the cabin is wider. Now, if lust gets in the way and you just can't live with out a tail wheel airplane….well, I know exactly what you are going thru! #-o I suffer from that problem like most of us do, I am now in tailwheel rehab. :lol:
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"...unless the timing is really flexible." That is the key, timing for me will be really flexible and when it is not I will be driving. That is the philosophy my coworker has used and 9 times out of 10 he is flying to his destination. I plan on getting my IFR rating, but don't want to mess with IMC over the Rockies. Thanks for all the feedback!
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G44 wrote: I am now in tailwheel rehab. :lol:


There's tailwheel rehab? Will you be my sponsor, I've got three of them. Clearly I'm an addict.

Regarding commuting by air, almost anywhere. Here I sit in my living room in Texas, no snow, little rain, no fog, no mountains. Yet, if I was away from home and needed to get here any time over the last 5 days I'd be s.o.l. Even though sun was forecast for each of the 5 days it hasn't been seen. Instead it's been overcast, drizzly, windy and cold. Time to spare go by air.

Guess my point is the only thing you can predict about weather is it's unpredictable. Forecast may be good for round tripping Fort Collins Durango. But what if it changes? Now you are either sitting it out or renting a car to get back. Or possibly becoming a greasy spot on the ground.

I'm fortunate in that as long as I have my laptop and an Internet connection I can do my job, oh, and I'm the boss so no one can put pressure on me to get back. So if I get stuck somewhere it's no big deal, no get back-itis,

My thoughts anyway. 182 is a great plane.
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I agree with Cary and others about C-172 and C-182. My wife is from Evergreen and we taught on the Navajo Reservation fourteen years. I have flown Cary's VMC route from Jeffco-down front range-across La Veta Pass-La Manga Pass-Cumbres Pass-Gallup many times in Ercoupe, 90 hp Champ, 150 hp Tri-Pacer, 145-175 hp C-172s, and others. I also flew pipelines in the area with the 160 hp C-172. All worked well using thermal and oregraphic ridge lift at least equally as much as excess engine thrust for climb.

As an instructor, if worries me that most pilots ask, "What airplane do I need?" I wonder if they have first considered, "What techniques do I need." Find an instructor who will answer the what if questions without falling back on the idea that good judgement will keep you from being there. If you are going to commute, you will find yourself "there" from time to time. If pulling back will not make the airplane go up, try lowering the nose a bit. If that doesn't help, turn down drainage without trying to maintain altitude. The Rockies give us lots of vertical space to work with if we use it in an emergency. And the airplane cannot possibly stall itself.

I have found even Comanche and C-182 to occasionally have insufficient excess engine thrust for climb in the southern Rockies. VFR weather is much better in the mountains than the midwest, but I also agree with Cary's 50% if dependent on engine power alone. On the pipeline I covered 3500 miles each week 99% of the time, but I chose the days I flew. The problem with commuting is you have a need to get there at a certain hour on a certain day. That increases the danger. Also, on the line, I knew the route back out without having to make dangerous GPS legs over terrain I had not memorized should things deteriorate.

Tailwheel can be easily learned, especially if you are young and have few nosewheel habits. Using thermal and oregraphic (wind) energy in low powered airplanes can be easily learned. However, the best ridge lift is very near the ridge. And remember that heat is what produces the thermals. On hot afternoons they are much more powerful than our engine and attempting to maintain altitude will produce a significant loss of ground speed and altitude. We gotta fly slow in up air and fast through down air. Energy management, no load factor, turns are critically necessary to safely get going back down drainage when insufficient ridge lift is found.

Shoot me an e-mail at [email protected] and I will attach my e-book covering all this stuff.
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Re: Mountain commuter

Orographic.
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I was an English teacher 14 years and still can't spell a word the same way twice. "Corrective Spelling Morphographs" by ALM helped my Navajo student and myself. Only three rules. Made English simpler but all words that didn't fit the three rules were disregarded.
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contactflying wrote:I was an English teacher 14 years and still can't spell a word the same way twice. "Corrective Spelling Morphographs" by ALM helped my Navajo student and myself. Only three rules. Made English simpler but all words that didn't fit the three rules were disregarded.


Before spell check and Wikipedia it was excruciating for me to write. Now I am an expert in every subject. :^o
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Re: Mountain commuter

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SA Maule wrote: avoid tail draggers until you have a lot more experience


Why?????

Though based on the OP, an old C182 is the best bang for the buck out there right now for most kinds of private flying. Especially at your higher DA's.

Gump


That was my first reaction too - but he's right. Insurance costs will be unduly high.

Of course if he's planning on doing a lot of hours, that will be a one-year problem only.

I didn't let it put me off, and I am happier for it. Last year's pain, is this year's gain.

Insurance will be high starting in a taildragger no matter how many hrs you have won't it? I started in a tailwheel at 80hrsTT and haven't looked back. So i agree with Gump on "why???".

That said, a 182 makes a great plane, and insurance and purchase price will be lower.

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Another question, would you ever buy a plane that has been used for skydiving? I found this 59 182 (http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=907748). I like the skydiving door from the standpoint of loading cargo (mtn bikes).


Nothing wrong with an old skydiver if your pre-purchase inspection is legitimate and thorough, and shows only squawks you're willing to deal with.

My '56 C180 was a skydive airplane with 8,000 hours on the airframe and a low time R engine when I bought her. The interior was non-existent, radios pretty much tin cans and string, and there was repaired damage in the logs. But she was light, flew straight as a rail, and was one of the nicest flying C180's I've ever been in. I really wish I had that airplane now.

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I don't think you should settle for a Skydiving ship as your budget will buy a nice 182… those dents and bruises and non-stc'd accoutrements :P will bother you the entire time you own the airplane.

Oh and I was going to lecture you on weather, mountain flying, describe roads you need to choose and how you should take a truck instead of flying and generally assume you don't know one end of the plane from the other but it appears thats already been covered :P :P :P :P
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Re: Mountain commuter

Cute little wheel in the back?? Get a Maule or BearHawk!! :?

Big cool tire in the front?? Get a Straight Tail 182!! 8) :D
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Re: Mountain commuter

How about outside the box like an RV4? Almost 200mph on about 5-7 gph??
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doing that commute regularly in a truck is also insane - choose colorado camo: a subaru preferably turbo charged

Can't go wrong w/ the 182, but I think any of those ships will do your commute on the good days. And +100 on the advice to stay the long hell away from IMC here in the Rockies.
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Re: Mountain commuter

For your Mission a 182 and IFR Rating.
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58Skylane wrote:How about outside the box like an RV4? Almost 200mph on about 5-7 gph??


Agree with the official Colorado car, the Subaru. You will have to buy Berkenstocks and put a Gay Rights sticker on the bumper but nothing wrong with that.
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Re: Mountain commuter

Cessna 182 would be my recommendation as well.

This one looks decent: http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_ ... 182_A.html
It probably needs some cylinder work soon if the jugs haven't been serviced recently.

And, as others have said, strongly recommend staying out of IMC along your route.
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182 end of conversation -I've flown from Ft. Collins to Durango quite a few times (even old down town airport) and they call the 182 the "Colorado airplane" for a reason. 1956-1959 straight tails are perfect. Go down to Colorado Springs and fly with Mike Donnely in his 56 182 and you'll understand. Expect to give 25-40 K for a old Straight tail in reasonably good shape with mid time engine. Email me for "Straight Tail Resources" booklet. I presume your flying out of Ft.Collins -Loveland airport.
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SA Maule wrote:Hello 182 stol driver, please give me more info on the straight tails, I am looking for something similar, do they have higher useful load etc?
My e mail is [email protected], I am in South Africa so will have to dissemble the plane and ship to South Africa , I need an affordable load hauler that can run on mogas to move goods between hunting camps




Can Do -Old 50's 182 have about 700 Lbs useful with full fuel (60-65 gallons) with basic interior and stuff, cruise 125-140 knots(TAS) and will operate in most 180 strips . Overall one hell of a hauler, I use it like a pickup truck . I modify a perfectly good airplane to make it better for my uses . If you need one in South Africa or where ever I can help.
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58Skylane wrote:How about outside the box like an RV4? Almost 200mph on about 5-7 gph??


Agree with the official Colorado car, the Subaru. You will have to buy Berkenstocks and put a Gay Rights sticker on the bumper but nothing wrong with that.



Aw hell no!!! Both mine and my wifes Subarus have neither!! Mine has a "Piss on anti-hunter's" decal, a deployed Soldier flag with two stars, NRA stickers, and a couple of other non-libeal type decals. I guess I am the anti-yuppie Subie owner. :)

Back OT...I have only owned one nose wheel aircraft, but several TW aircraft. I am old and wise enough to not worry about what others think in regards to my choice of aircraft. While I prefer the look of a TW, the only time, as the pilot, I can tell the difference in flying either type is when landing/taking-off in a strong crosswind. Otherwise, once they are off the ground they both fly the same. As has been mentioned, if your mission requires you to fly into some really rough strips the TW is generally the better choice. Need to be honest with yourself and figure out how often will you really need that capability since a lot of backcountry strips can be landed on with small tires and tricycle gear. I have had my 172 for coming up on 30 years. in all those years I keep telling myself I need a bigger plane but in the end I realize my trusy old steed does 99% of what is required. Only reason I am actively pursuing a larger aircraft now is the need for longer and fast travel. Kids are grown and spread out all across the country. Only one less than 600 NM away.
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Re: Mountain commuter

SA Maule wrote:182stol driver, how do I get in contact with you


[email protected] or 1-702-581-2022 cell or text
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