Thought all should see this. If it pisses you off then just make your reply in the Hot Air version http://www.funplacestofly.com/blog.asp?ID=269

Tim

qmdv wrote: If it pisses you off then just make your reply in the Hot Air version

Tim

Yep, what my Skylane buddy said!!

The FEDs are going to make us all re-register our airplanes!

http://www.aopa.org/membership/articles ... id=I810MPE

Green Hornet wrote:The FEDs are going to make us all re-register our airplanes!

http://www.aopa.org/membership/articles ... id=I810MPE

Honestly, I think it's a great idea after the King incident and obviously it has happened many times before. Just hopefully they don't want too much money (because you know the Fed's do want your hard earned cash). In Idaho, I pay 1 cent per gross weight pound for my plane. That's just $26.50 a year. And hopefully the new system will prevent incidents like the King's experienced from happening again.

Won't do it. The Kings plane had just been registered in the last three years.

tim

Sorry Pat..Ya just can't fix stupid..the idea of reregistration sounds good, but for those who are pushin' the paper, they could care less! They wouldn't know a Cessna from a Sikorski. It's all about power, money and control...you pay the money so they have control or they have the power to screw with you!
HC

Green Hornet wrote:The FEDs are going to make us all re-register our airplanes!

http://www.aopa.org/membership/articles ... id=I810MPE

That announcement from the FAA way pre-dated the John and Martha King incident.

This had NOTHING to do with the FAA, or the FAA database.

It had to do with the EPIC database, which is maintained by the DEA, NOT the FAA. The FAA's database was up to date and accurate in this case, which is how the police figured out this was FUBAR, and backed off.

I ran into something similar, but without the guns, after I bought my airplane. Clearing Customs the first time (pre-9/11, and with a Customs Officer I knew pretty well, fortunately). My airplane's tail number had been dropped from the FAA database and re-issued to a new Tomahawk in FL. That WAS an FAA screwup, and they fixed it--they made the Tomahawk owner change his tail number.

Some time later, I'm clearing Customs in Montana and the Customs Officer is looking VERY serious. Turns out the EPIC database still showed my tail number as a Traumahawk, based in FL. THAT Customs guy was smart enough to right away look at the FAA database, and saw the error.

The Santa Barbara police probably didn't even know there WAS an FAA database.

One question I have, and that someone should be looking into: Who called the Santa Barbara Police and reported that the "stolen airplane" was enroute????

THAT person should be thoroughly thrashed. The cops were just doing a standard felony stop, which they are trained to do in such a situation.

MTV

A new development...

"Kings To Help Develop Police Aviation Training"

http://www.funplacestofly.com/blog.asp?ID=271

smittysrv wrote:A new development...

"Kings To Help Develop Police Aviation Training"

http://www.funplacestofly.com/blog.asp?ID=271

Here's the direct link to the story for those looking to save a click.

http://www.avweb.com/avwebbiz/news/KingsToHelpWithPoliceTraining_203213-1.html

I've known John and Martha for over thirty years, and my experience is that they are true professionals.

I think they are demonstrating great calm and professionalism, and as usual, they are seeking to convert a bad situation into an educational opportunity.

Good on them. They are and always have been a class act.

MTV

I agree with hicountry,

Ya just can't fix stupid..the idea of reregistration sounds good, but for those who are pushin' the paper, they could care less!

Do airplane thieves and drug runners really file IFR flight plans?

The AOPA article is dated August 25,2010 which is not prior to the first police action for this tail #. Corrective Action to prevent this N # causing the same problem should have been taken after that incident and the entire system should have been reviewed for any similar case. It would not be that difficult to design an algorithm to perform this check if the FAA database of N#'s history without breaks exist? I know for a fact that AOPA for a price can perform a history check of any N# ! I agree with MTV that the database in question is EPIC's. However the FAA database only indicates the registration in 2009. If the police knew GA it would more than likely only present more questions. However they did have the serial # of the Aircraft in question which solved the issue after 30 minutes. EPIC apparently a conglomeration of multiple FED & or other agencies unknown to the media certainly are totally incompetent and have no knowledge in respects to General Aviation or they would not be tracking IFR plans for stolen aircraft. But then maybe that is what a drug smuggler is counting on?
I see know reason for the FAA to be defensive in regards to this system breakdown. Although an investigation into the root cause of the problem is needed because the information being used does reflect on the FAA whether they are at fault or not. John and Martha do have the right idea in respects to the LEO's. However the FAA needs to examine there own system. Even though AIC makes money from a history check the FAA should provide this info at a click of a button to at least LEO. There must be some input to as why the FAA re-issued this N# ? Stolen Aircraft found??
As for the Re-Registering of all aircraft before. The first sentence in the AOPA article clearly states that "For the first time in its history, the FAA is requiring that all aircraft be re-registered." If we are going to have to go through the time and effort I for one want the FAA to assure me that this debacle will never happen again especially if a third party EPIC can tap into IFR flight plans to look for stolen aircraft! I spent 35 years in hi tech in Quality Assurance and I know that this system breakdown can be prevented from recurrence in the future. It just take an effort by professional's like John And Martha!

I think we're talking about the same thing. This ruling hit the federal register on July 20, 2010 according to this:

http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/reregistration/

The way I understand it, it's just resurfacing in the news due to the King's incident, it's not a policy change in response to it. The FAA doesn't change policy that fast. I just wanted to be clear that this was a policy change already in the books well before John and Martha met the SBA welcome wagon. I don't necessarily agree with the re-registration, but that's another issue altogether and discussion of the reasons behind it are probably more suited to Hot Air.

1SeventyZ wrote:I think we're talking about the same thing. This ruling hit the federal register on July 20, 2010 according to this:

http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/reregistration/

The way I understand it, it's just resurfacing in the news due to the King's incident, it's not a policy change in response to it. The FAA doesn't change policy that fast. I just wanted to be clear that this was a policy change already in the books well before John and Martha met the SBA welcome wagon. I don't necessarily agree with the re-registration, but that's another issue altogether and probably more suited to Hot Air.

Agreed but the first incident with this tail # was 18 months prior to John and Martha. I have no idea if it is a reaction to that incident probably not but since this re-registration is taking place then it would be a perfect opportunity to address this problem to prevent it from happening again. It would be nice to know why they want to re-register all the aircraft and what is the cost to the airplane owner?

I predict that the reregistration will create a cluster fubar we won't believe. The mistakes that have been made and not discovered over the past 50-100 years will surface and will create a paperwork nightmare for them and end users, us.

This country is to the point that we're paying for socialism and not getting it.

I want to see a Quentin Tarantino type scene were John and Martha start pulling machine guns blasting away at the cop cars. BTW I have nothing agains cops.

Considering the vast numbers of Gov employee that basicly don't give crap, I am standing by.

Tim

The headline is FAA resolves Issue but after reading the report it doesn't seem quite resolved to me?

http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2 ... c_sect=gan