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This son of a something else is doing everything except the right thing. It failed in every country in the world every time it was tried and they want to give us more socialism. They are going to cram everything they can down our throats before November. Damn communists.

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They're referring to ADS-B, right? This has been part of the NextGen ATC plan for some time if I remember correctly, although the 2020 mandate might be a new thing... not sure.
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The first link says it's for planes that use the nation's busiest airports....but I don't see that in the other stuff.
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Fisherman wrote:This son of a something else is doing everything except the right thing. It failed in every country in the world every time it was tried and they want to give us more socialism. They are going to cram everything they can down our throats before November. Damn communists.

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All that from a 100 word news blurb on ADS-B Out?

Or maybe you were worried about this part:

They [you] want the government to help pay for it [your equipment].
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C'mon guys, lets not start adding facts to a good political rant.

But with our current economic situation, I wouldn't be surprised if we see user fees sooner than later. Our country is broke and pilots are rich remember. :wink:
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Yeah I'm not sure where this is going either, just food for discussion.

Juneau, Alaska has the very first ADS-B system on - line. I don't have the equipment on board, but those that do can see a regular mode - C equipped aircraft (like mine), which is pretty darned cool. Also, the tower can now see you if transmitting mode - C. Nothing is mandatory yet, but as the article stated, looks like it's coming. The equipment is still pretty pricey, hopefully it will come down in the next 10 years.


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once&futr_alaskaflyer wrote:
Fisherman wrote:This son of a something else is doing everything except the right thing. It failed in every country in the world every time it was tried and they want to give us more socialism. They are going to cram everything they can down our throats before November. Damn communists.

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All that from a 100 word news blurb on ADS-B Out?

Or maybe you were worried about this part:

They [you] want the government to help pay for it [your equipment].


Sorry but everything just aggrivates me these days since the commies took over. Manditory this and that. I agree, it's a nifty technology but give people a choice whether they want to buy it or not. What we have works fine. The county is broke and we want to spend more money on nifty toys and burden the people with even more taxes and we don't have a choice. This country can not afford the upgrades right now. Pay down some of that Chinese debt? Noooo... Let's loan Greece a trillion darned dollars that we don't have!!! Idiots! Spend spend spend and it's coming out of MY pocket. Sorry, I just don't feel STIMULATED.

This little rant would sound better if we were having a friendly cup of coffee together. You know?
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Fisherman, I understand your pain! If you want to get STIMULATED, may I suggest a good movie called "Zombie Strippers".

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0960890/

Its great family entertainment (children over 18 only please!), fun, racy, and pathetic all at one time! :lol:

The movie will at least take your mind off the rest of the world for a few minutes. :mrgreen:
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Skystrider wrote:Fisherman, I understand your pain! If you want to get STIMULATED, may I suggest a good movie called "Zombie Strippers".

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0960890/

Its great family entertainment (children over 18 only please!), fun, racy, and pathetic all at one time! :lol:

The movie will at least take your mind off the rest of the world for a few minutes. :mrgreen:


LOL Oh boy! I think I'll pass on that one. Maybe I'll just watch "Hardware Wars" again.
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This is what I got from the FAA just the other day.

ADS-B Equipment Required in Next Decade
Notice Number: NOTC2314

New Automatic Dependent Surveillance – Broadcast (ADS-B) Rule On May 27, 2010, the FAA published new rules (contained in 14 CFR §92.225 and §91.227) mandating airspace and avionics performance requirements after January 1, 2020. The avionics perform a function that is generally known as “ADS-B Out” which transmits precise location and other information about the aircraft to ground stations and other ADS-B equipped aircraft. The ADS-B rule mandates ADS-B Out avionics performance when operating within the designated airspace, giving aircraft owners approximately 10 years to equip. The ADS-B rule, like current transponder operating requirements, requires operators to have ADS-B Out avionics installed and operating in order to fly their aircraft in the busiest airspace, as described below:Class A, B, and C airspace.All airspace at and above 10,000 feet MSL (mean sea level) over the 48 contiguous United States and the District of Columbia.Within 30 nautical miles of airports listed in 14 CFR §91.225, from the surface up to 10,000 feet MSL.Class E airspace over the Gulf of Mexico from the coastline of the United States out to 12 nautical miles, at and above 3,000 feet MSL.
FAA Technical Service Orders (TSOs) describe the equipment approved for ADS-B operations. The ADS-B rule states that avionics must meet the standards of either TSO-C166b (for 1090ES link equipment) or TSO-C154c (for UAT link equipment).  TSO-C166b is required in Class A airspace and either link can be used in all other airspace.   For more information about the FAA’s ADS-B program, visit www.adsb.gov. Questions?Contact the FAA Flight Standards ADS-B Office at: [email protected]. Contact the FAA Aircraft Certification ADS-B Office at: [email protected].


For the most part it looks like I could avoid needing one EXCEPT for this: Within 30 nautical miles of airports listed in 14 CFR §91.225, from the surface up to 10,000 feet MSL. I haven't looked up the airports listed n 14 CFR b91.225 but I'm guessing that means pretty much within 30 miles of any Class B airspace. WTF? As long as someone's outside the airspace they shouldn't give a rats ass when flying under the "veil". If they're going to require it at all, it should have stopped at the first sentence: Class A, B, and C airspace period.
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Does this technology also give them our N number. I know, N number is redundant.

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qmdv wrote:Does this technology also give them our N number. I know, N number is redundant.

tim


Doesn't Mode C already report that? I don;t know much about ADS-B but I imagine it would operate similar to a transponder where you have the option to broadcast as a primary with your altitude encoded, or not.

Saw this article today: Jetliner, cargo plane in near miss at Anchorage, a day after the final ruling on ADS-B Out. I'll let you guys generate the conspiracy theories...haha.
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1SeventyZ wrote:Doesn't Mode C already report that?


No, it doesn't. That's why ATC will ask you to ident, so they can match your N number to your blip. They can put the N number on your blip on their screens once they know it's you.
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Tadpole wrote:
1SeventyZ wrote:Doesn't Mode C already report that?


No, it doesn't. That's why ATC will ask you to ident, so they can match your N number to your blip. They can put the N number on your blip on their screens once they know it's you.


Ahh, come to think of it that make a lot more sense... #-o
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