And if your tester is accurate the fuel you bought is illegal to deliver into any car except a flex-fuel vehicle.

180Marty wrote:

And if your tester is accurate the fuel you bought is illegal to deliver into any car except a flex-fuel vehicle.

As I understand it, you can have a 3% variation. So 10% could be 13% and still legal. That's why if we could get 12 or 13% approved by EPA, we could legally have 15% by careful blending.

180Marty wrote:1593Y, If you'd read this thread from Supercub, you'd see more than one person it having success.
http://www.supercub.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=18760

[Please point to EPA rule. I understood 1%, but I don't know where it is in the EPA rules./quote]
Can't find EPA rule. This is from the guy in charge of the blender pump stations in Wisconsin that deals with inspectors all the time.

There is an thermal reaction and temporary volume change that occurs when blending ethanol to gas- (yes, it is a chemical bond), this plays with inspectors minds who try to sample it but in reality the products are each metered prior to this blending and as a result the inacuracy is imagined.

Frankly the 3% allowance is not uniform to every state and is needed due to the inspectors lab equip and sampling methods. I have documented this time after time. Consider E10 to be "not more than" 10%.

180Marty wrote:

[Please point to EPA rule. I understood 1%, but I don't know where it is in the EPA rules.

Can't find EPA rule. This is from the guy in charge of the blender pump stations in Wisconsin that deals with inspectors all the time.

JamieG wrote:Is it just the Octane rating that stops the STC's for ethanol free mogas being approved on the higher compression engines such as the 520's? We have ethanol free 95 UL and 98 UL available here in NZ although not realy any cheaper than 100 ll but could maybe step in if 100 ll went away?

Jamie

First- The only reason our blender pumps are $25,000 each is because we chose top line type pumps, they are not subsidized by an oil company program, and have $5,000 worth of cash acceptors in them.
Second-The idea of using blender pumps was the result of a conversation between my equipment supplier and I based on my needs. It saves us big money by cutting trucking expense, extra tanks, inventory costs, keeping oil company fingers out of the ethanol pie, and leaves me flexible for the future if E98 comes to fruition for street cars or racing. Think about inventory costs alone- if I had a third tank for another gas blend filled with an average inventory of 6,000 gallons X $3.00 I would have far more tied up than the extra 10,000 in dispenser cost (for 2 dispensers) plus i would have to own another $10,000 tank which could leak.

We have yet to experience a single problem with the fuel piping, seals, meters, blend valves, or any other "wet" portion of these dispensers. The blend accuracy is always perfect at 10-90%. It is my understanding that 1-9% or 91-99% could be an issue with accuracy but we never try to blend at those %'s.

People are just too afraid to step out of their box sometimes.

Stol wrote:>... On a side note, I am currently running premium auto fuel from Smiths grocery store, delievered by Flying J. last batch tested 12% ethanol, Flew it up to 17,500 msl and not a hint of vaporlock or detonation... So. It can be done........
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I have been over 17,000 msl 16 times so far,, Not just one time, on one day, Fuel has tested anywhere between 8 -13 %.... Tester is DAMN accurate so thats not an issue.

Tell us more about the guy you know who almost crashed his RV running E-10..
1- He obviously didn't test,

2- explain to us the symtoms of the "supposable" engine failure. How do they and you know for sure it was E-10 that caused it ? after all the pilot DIDN'T test the auto fuel ... Not a VERY smart thing to do and worse yet, he told someone what he did, or, didn't do...

180Marty wrote:This from the Wisconsin guy also.

>... keeping oil company fingers out of the ethanol pie, and leaves me flexible for the future if E98 comes to fruition for street cars or racing. ...

We have yet to experience a single problem with the fuel piping, seals, meters, blend valves, or any other "wet" portion of these dispensers. The blend accuracy is always perfect at 10-90%. It is my understanding that 1-9% or 91-99% could be an issue with accuracy but we never try to blend at those %'s.

Interpret here for me Marty

180Marty wrote:>... Also, did you see where the convenience store operators in Tennessee were trying to get the state to force Valero to provide straight unleaded at their Memphis refinery so they(convenience store operators) could get the blenders credit themselves.. Valero said it would cost mucho bucks to do this and they would have to shut the place down causing about 400 people to lose their job.
http://memphis.bizjournals.com/memphis/ ... y1.html?s=

Stol wrote:N1593Y. I am assuming you are Dean Billing too. I read the posting on the Vans site and I guess my first question is,, how much do you really know about an internal combustion engine ? I would like a honest answer please.
Ben.