Guys,

We haven't really gotten around to this subject yet, so...
Regarding posting of Ebay auctions:

The first time I heard a moderator jump on somebody for posting an ebay auction, I thought it was retarded. Who cares?! But, I soon realized that it's not fair to other potential ebay bidders to have auctions cross posted in a forum.

Imagine being the guy who has been stalking planes (or rare early C-180 gear legs) on Ebay for a few months in hope of that perfect one appearing one day. Then, it finally does and you hope that your fair bid will stick, but somebody posts about the auction in a forum filled with potential buyers. The seller wins, but you lose cuz now everybody and his brother is looking at the thing, maybe driving the price way up!

So, my request is to not post auction URLs unless they have Buy It Now option, at which point it's open season on the sucker.

If you see good sales/deals online at a normal retailer, or a non-auction plane for sale, by all means, cross-post it if you think it's a worthy post!

Hey Zane I felt as though I was part of this group and I made it aware to anyone in the group that maybe interested in order to help someone else in the group. No one has to pay more than something is worth. When I am shopping I look everywhere I can think of and appreciate any and all the hep I can get. Won't do that again. Later Gary

Gary, you're definitely a solid member of the group, I'm not coming down on you buddy. I just figured it was a good time to toss this out on the floor.

I'm not big on rules either, so let's call it suggested protocol. Perhaps it's a different realm with airplanes, but it seems to be a common thing in interest forums like ours, as well as the many skiing forums I frequent, that it's bad form to post a specific Ebay auction link, unless it's a BUY IT NOW. Links to TAP, Barnstormers, or Controller ads are totally fine to crosspost fine too, they're set prices. I also like the idea of "PSA's" or "Public Service Announcements" for stuff you see on sale at an online retailer. "So and so has 496's for $900??" Post it up!

I don't realistically see a rabid bidding war ensuing over on old PA-22, but personally, anything I buy on Ebay I only buy because it's a good deal. Get a bunch of guys hot on a good deal you birddogged out, and it's not a good deal anymore. I don't think it's fair to the guy who is putting in the work searching for deals on Ebay.

John- You're right, auctions are fair game and should go to the highest bidder. BUT, if you're monitoring some sweet deal on something that you yourself want to buy, you're not going to go announcing it to the whole forum to come compete with you on it, are you?

I'm not going to delete or alter these threads, but keep that in mind before you post an Ebay auction.

After all that spew, if you guys feel it's more important to let each other know about auctions, speak up. The choice of the group is more important than my opinion.

I thought EBAY stood for "Everyone Bids Against You" anyway

Mark

Zane and others, I appologise if I screwed the pooch with the pacer link Those that know me personally know I am about as politicaly incorrect as it gets.... but never intensionally. I didn't know the "poor form' issue of it all , but can relate. Lesson learned.

I say post any and all items here. I have gotten burned also when someone posted an item I was bidding on. Oh well, life goes on. If someone feels they lost out on that deal of a lifetime....just grin and bare it. I have found several things I have been looking for due to someone posting about it. If it goes too high for my budget, I wasn't meant to have it. Also need to realise that the guy trying to sell an item is also trying to get a fair price for what he has so put yourself in his shoes.
Just another rule that doesn't need to be made.
Keith

Ok, you guys made your bed, now you can lay in it!

Damn Zane and his Gestapo Tactics... j/k

I would actually be more concerned with people selling ebay aircraft and posting links here (ie spamming us with their auction) than getting sniped on an auction because somebody innocently posted the info here.

Ok, so if you see some smokin' deal on ebay and don't want us bidding against you we have no other choice than to institute the International Dibs Rules as posted below:

International Dibs Rules

Preamble:

This consititution is fully endorsed and sanctioned by the International Dibs-Calling Committee (IDCC). The rules listed below apply to the calling of Dibs, also known as “The Call”. Dibs may be made on any single aircraft, whose stol capability meets the preference of the caller. Dibs is called to reserve the target of the call (”the Target”) for the caller only, preventing others from approaching the Target for a set period of time. A Dibs call ensures a reasonable opportunity to obtain the Target without competition. These rules are definitive and binding.

Section I: The Basic Rules

Article 1: In order to call Dibs, the caller must post the word “Dibs,” verifiable by at least one other user. The caller must also identify the Target in a reasonable manner (i.e. “I got Dibs on the 1953 C-170B with shitty pinstriping”).

Article 2: Dibs may only be called if the enactor (”the Caller”) has seen the aircraft in photographs, digital images, etc. Dibs can only be called when the Caller has posted a url of the image of the Target; A Dibs Call cannot be made if the Caller has only general knowledge of the aircraft.

Article 3: The Call guarantees that no other individual, other than the Caller, may make any effort at purchasing, leasing or taking test flights for thirty days beginning the day of the Call.

Article 4: Anyone disrespecting a legitimate Dibs call may be proclaimed a jackass by the community, and forfeits all honour. The Community may henceforth actively seek to destroy any sort of purchase agreement the disrespecting citizen attempts on the Target, and may be attacked online at will.

Article 5: Dibs may only be called on a target who is officially for sale. In the case where the Target’s status is unknown, Dibs is in effect until information presents itself that clearly established that the Target is already sold or was never for sale.

Section II: Special Cases

These special exceptions to the above rules should be considered in the order presented; the case listed first will take precedence over any of the cases beneath it, when applicable.

Article 1: In the instance that the Dibs call was made after midnight, the 30-day period begins on the active day (the day in which one woke up).

Article 2: In the instance that the Caller is no longer interested in the Target, then the Caller may retract The Call. The Caller may not make a new Dibs call on the same target until another user calls Dibs on the target in question, and that call has elapsed. Dibs may not be surrendered to a specific person.

Article 3: In the instance that 30 days has elapsed since the Caller established Dibs, and the Caller has been unsuccessful in purchasing the Target, then another individual may call Dibs on the Target. The individual whose time elapsed may not make a new Dibs call on the Target until after every potential buyer whom the original caller knows has either already called Dibs or has declined. If everyone has already called Dibs or declined, the slate is cleaned and anyone may call Dibs on the Target (except for the last caller, who must wait until at least one other user has called Dibs again). For purposes of this Article, “every potential buyer” includes only those people who were aware the original Dibs call was made.

Article 4: In the instance that the Caller makes no significant effort at purchasing the Target within 15 days of the call, then the Caller forfeits Dibs. Rules outlined in Article 2 are thusly followed.

Section III: The Free-for-All Rule (a.k.a. The Gang-Bang Rule)

Article 1: If a successful Dibs call has been made, the Caller may institute the Free-for-All Rule. In this case, all rules become obsolete, and Dibs may no longer be called on the Target until after the Target has been purchased by another buyer and then placed for sale again.

That should take care of the ebay problem...

Mark

Hahahaha. Good job, Mark, it's perfect.

jmtgt wrote:Glass business must be slow eh Mark?

Simple cut / paste / edit from one of my buddies. I don't want to tell you what the original "Target" referenced but I think you can guess.

Mark

"Dibs" ranks right up there with "shotgun" and "you owe me a coke". Anybody else remember those, or admit remembering those? Or am I showing my age here? (damn young whippersnappers.......)

Ol' Eric

You guys are all in severe violation of RULE #1 "Don't sweat the small shit"

And also rule #2 " If it ain't fatal rule #1 applies"

Shane