Idaho Aeronautics has published procedures for operations at the Johnson Creek Airstrip. These procedures on the Idaho Aviation Association webpage.

http://idahoaviation.com/

Please pass the link around so at least most pilots will be operating on the same page rather than campfire procedures.

@ Whee

Great Link. Thanks

Thanks everyone who worked on this!

This will be a great resource to point new folks to.

Great, thanks for posting.

Thanks for posting...and just in case it wasnt clear...don't takeoff on 17 or fly over the Bryant house!

Grassstrippilot wrote:Thanks for posting...and just in case it wasnt clear...don't takeoff on 17 or fly over the Bryant house!

lol

I respect that they are trying to do there best to make sure the strip remains available forever, but I did get a chuckle after about the sixth time of reading that instruction!

I'm a little shocked they didn't call me to do their Johnson Creek diagram. I thought I did pretty good on the Garden Valley diagram.

I was looking for the picture of that husky almost taking out the people on the deck but can't find it. I was going to make an awesome motivational poster about not flying over the Bryant house. Oh well.

Great reason to remove Johnson Creek from the category of "Backcountry" airstrips.

Like many examples, it is possible to "love" a place so much you destroy it's character.

There are still a few actual remote airstrips out there where you can have an actual wilderness experience, but they're going away fast.

Why not hold your mega "fly ins" at a rural, rather than wilderness airport?

Oh, well.

MTV

Recipe for disaster......

95% of the aircraft using Johnson Creek are high wing... I predict the next mid air will a base to final turn of a high wing into a climbing out aircraft headed north...

Personally i would make Yellowpine a gathering point for incoming, kinda like the Ripon approach at OSH, and hug the right side of the mountain and then offset to centerline for landing,,, departing aircraft will offset right after clearing the trees..... Been working on the highways for 100+ years.. IMHO....

Flame suit on.....[picasaslideshow=][/picasaslideshow]

Sounds like it's time to head further back into the wilderness.....



Gump

mtv wrote:Great reason to remove Johnson Creek from the category of "Backcountry" airstrips.

Like many examples, it is possible to "love" a place so much you destroy it's character.

There are still a few actual remote airstrips out there where you can have an actual wilderness experience, but they're going away fast.

Why not hold your mega "fly ins" at a rural, rather than wilderness airport?

Oh, well.

MTV

There is good reason for this and the emphasis to fly a pattern. They don't want another mid-air.

idair wrote:There is good reason for this and the emphasis to fly a standardized pattern. They don't want another mid-air.

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The lack of a pattern wasn't the cause.

Grassstrippilot wrote:

idair wrote:There is good reason for this and the emphasis to fly a standardized pattern. They don't want another mid-air.

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The lack of a pattern wasn't the cause.

WE all in BCP know that.. The rest of the 10's of thousands of pilots out there only know what they are told by NTSB report...

The shear fact that video of the actual crash was pulled and is hidden away speaks volumes... ......

Has a final report been issued? I only see the preliminary report still on the ntsb record site.

I"m pretty sure that pic of the husky was pulled from the video of the husky hitting the tree - it's on youtube. In fact I think stills were published on supercub.org.

Oh yeah, here's the thread with stills:

http://www.supercub.org/forum/showthrea ... nson-Creek

But you need to be a donating member to see it...

Grassstrippilot wrote:Thanks for posting...and just in case it wasnt clear...don't takeoff on 17 or fly over the Bryant house!

JC is not a good place to depart from with a stiff tailwind. Any of us that have spent some time there have seen planes settle over the river when departing to the North with a tailwind.
You get that sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach as you watch.....probably not as bad as the sinking feeling in the seat of the pilots pants.
Remember the 172 departure in 2012, he barely cleared the trees on his downwind departure.

I agree the Bryant house MUST be avoided. Postpone your flight if you can't stay away from the house.
Probably won't take too many more close calls like the Husky had and they will close the strip.

But if you have to leave don't depart to the North with a stiff tailwind! The house can easily be avoided with a good head wind.
The Idaho Division of Aeronautics is not saying you MUST not depart on 17, and I don't think we should either.

From the Recommended Standard Operating Procedures

"Departing Runway 17
Strongly Discouraged
Why?
1. Your takeoff path is directly toward the Bryant house and rising terrain.
2. Southerly winds prevail in the late afternoon. Aircraft should remain on the ground until more favorable conditions exist.
3. High density altitude conditions have contributed to several accidents at Johnson Creek."

We should all respect the Bryant's space.

^^^ Good post Terry.