I've got a question for the folks making videos and posting them in public places. I'm betting nearly no one is getting permission from the copy right holder of the music track. So is this simply overlooked by all the video hosting sites? Is this one of those things that is ignored because of the sheer volume of violations? Music sure improves the video, but is anyone worried about it? I guess the worst that would likely be done is removal of the offending video?

The RIAA has run amok suing peer to peer file sharers, but so far I haven't seen them going after music poachers.

What do you all think?

tom

Savannah-Tom wrote:I've got a question for the folks making videos and posting them in public places. I'm betting nearly no one is getting permission from the copy right holder of the music track. So is this simply overlooked by all the video hosting sites? Is this one of those things that is ignored because of the sheer volume of violations? Music sure improves the video, but is anyone worried about it? I guess the worst that would likely be done is removal of the offending video?

The RIAA has run amok suing peer to peer file sharers, but so far I haven't seen them going after music poachers.

What do you all think?

tom

It's kind of a gray area because there is some leniency for "non-commercial" use. But I also think there's no enforcement because it's harder to track down the usage in videos than it is to find peer-peer sharing.

Chris

The genie is out of the bottle and can't be put back.

RobBurson wrote:The genie is out of the bottle and can't be put back.

Rob, I guess it's just my day to disagree with you, because that's what they said about mp3 file sharing years ago, and I would say the Genie got stuffed back in.

Keep in mind that Peer to Peer file sharing and whether or not using copyrighted music in personal videos are two different things. In the videos that I made for my sweet mother and a handful of friends to watch, I ripped music tracks from cd's I purchased years ago into mp3 format for use on the computer/Ipod. Standard practice. Those videos are hosted on Vimeo for ease of viewing and their first general guideline is "For Personal Use Only". I haven't gotten any checks in the mail yet so I think I am OK there.

Could there be some copyright issues going on because I didn't get written permission from ZZ Top's management to use one of their 36 year old songs (which I paid for) in my video? Perhaps. Am I worried about it? Not particularly.

Neighbor Pete wrote:Keep in mind that Peer to Peer file sharing and whether or not using copyrighted music in personal videos are two different things. In the videos that I made for my sweet mother and a handful of friends to watch, I ripped music tracks from cd's I purchased years ago into mp3 format for use on the computer/Ipod. Standard practice. Those videos are hosted on Vimeo for ease of viewing and their first general guideline is "For Personal Use Only". I haven't gotten any checks in the mail yet so I think I am OK there.

Could there be some copyright issues going on because I didn't get written permission from ZZ Top's management to use one of their 36 year old songs (which I paid for) in my video? Perhaps. Am I worried about it? Not particularly.

All that music is copyrighed, you are in violation, however it's like spiting on the side walk. Little fish are not in much danger, but if a large network picked up your video?, drawing the attention of the owner of the piece, maybe if they wanted to make a statement, but if you somehow were to profit financially, they might well want their pound of flesh.
In my videos you will find music, while it's not as good as ZZ Top, the royalty has been paid. I have attended many video workshops, and the general attitude is DON"T use anybody's music. The laws are there, whether or not the owners pursue them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not with the music police, I have seen some great video with popular music that really made the video better. After all, they are the professionals and if they don't inspire you, you won't buy their stuff. If you don't think sound is important, turn it off and see how long your video goes before it gets old!

a64pilot wrote:

RobBurson wrote:The genie is out of the bottle and can't be put back.

Rob, I guess it's just my day to disagree with you, because that's what they said about mp3 file sharing years ago, and I would say the Genie got stuffed back in.

Actually the genie is back out. The RIAA just announced they have stopped suing people for sharing music. Now they have agreements with several ISP's that the ISP's will kick you off if you download a lot of music.

I hope I can still access BCP somehow when the music police throw me in jail for using songs that I paid for in a little home video.

Bonanza Man wrote:

a64pilot wrote:

RobBurson wrote:The genie is out of the bottle and can't be put back.

Rob, I guess it's just my day to disagree with you, because that's what they said about mp3 file sharing years ago, and I would say the Genie got stuffed back in.

Actually the genie is back out. The RIAA just announced they have stopped suing people for sharing music. Now they have agreements with several ISP's that the ISP's will kick you off if you download a lot of music.

Let me know where I can download some music then. I miss the old days.

With the way the copyright laws are worded, even Highschool dances, drill-team and dance team recitals, music played as the football team runs out on the field, all are in violation of copyright laws without written permission for each song. This whole country is currently in violation.

And that doesnt even scratch the surface.

The way I see it, there are 7.2 million You-Tube video producers to keep them busy for the next thousand years.

Does this mean I can't listen to my Sourdough Slim tapes on the 8 track player anymore??? Sad f***ing day in America if you ask me.

Gump

SixTwoLeemer wrote:With the way the copyright laws are worded, even Highschool dances, drill-team and dance team recitals, music played as the football team runs out on the field, all are in violation of copyright laws without written permission for each song. This whole country is currently in violation.

And that doesnt even scratch the surface.

The way I see it, there are 7.2 million You-Tube video producers to keep them busy for the next thousand years.

After dealing with the copyright issues you would need model released for the subjects in in the video!! As they are accorded certain rights as well. (If you are producing a product for SALE). News worthy events, 9-11, inaugural speech, big headline news events are pretty much exempt. But lets say you were shooting a local commercial and some dork happened to walk through your back set and ended up on the tape. You best, 1-cut him out, or 2-have him sign a release.(signing a release could mean paying for his time) The Drill Team, Cheerleaders, etc; are mostly a non issue unless you were producing a special video on Drill Teams exhibiting, say ten different teams airing on The Discovery Channel. Copyrights and patents are there to protect the individual from having his stuff or presents, used without his express permission.(stolen) I feel sure it mostly has to do with PROFIT. So if you are not using protected material for financial gain, I can't see anyone being prosecuted. When you buy a tape,CD, sheet music, or a record, you pay for the medium (CD,Casette, 45 record), and the right to listen to those song's forever. When you make a copy and GIVE it to a friend, you're starting to transition into a gray area. You make a copy and SELL it to a friend, it becomes darker. If you and your friend make 100,00 copies and send them to Russia for sale, You've may have made yourself a target. I would like to say at this time, I am a welder/fabricator/mechanic , not a lawyer. I thought some one wanted to understand how copyrights operated. I attempted to shed some light on that thread, however I AM not trying to justify them. I personally "bootleg" any thing that suits me. I have spent enough money on video gear, and schooling to have purchased a nice J-3 Cub.(that's what I should have done) Remember this, I enjoy seeing every body's video's and I don't give a shit where the music comes from. And Gump, listening to "Sourdough Slim" is like watching Coyote Ugly dance!