I appreciate your fairness and decorum, whee. We now live in the world of the internet where bad players can accelerate our useful concern for how an organization is operating into hate speech that we do not intend. Zee does a very good job umpiring this site. Organizations are run, for better or worse, by humans. You are being part of the solution, it seems, in RAF. Good job.

I have volunteered with the RAF, used to manage all the social medias for a year or more until life got in the way. I've never heard anything near what whee is referring to, but being in Colorado perhaps too far away to really get any personal experiences.

However, I cannot find ANY other organization that comes anywhere near the national focus for the type of flying we do. There are a couple of state orgs that are awesome - but nobody on a national level. So they get my support. I've been a supporting member for more than a decade.

I will say that if compromise frustrates you the way you say it does then any organization is going to frustrate you.

mtv wrote:

mtv wrote:As they say, if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything.

I just hope RAF does some research…..

MTV

It seems some thought my comment was in reference to Whee’s. It wasn’t. It was reference the OP.

MTV

We’ll as the OP, I’m not sure what you’re getting at?

Can you elaborate

Ditto!

MW

sierrasplitter wrote:I will also be at the Chicken Strip workparty this weekend. Shovel, Pick, Hoe , wheel barrow , and canned maragritas

Useful list…..

NineThreeKilo wrote:

mtv wrote:

mtv wrote:As they say, if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything.

I just hope RAF does some research…..

MTV

It seems some thought my comment was in reference to Whee’s. It wasn’t. It was reference the OP.

MTV

We’ll as the OP, I’m not sure what you’re getting at?

Can you elaborate

I wrote a book, then deleted it.

MTV

mtv wrote:

NineThreeKilo wrote:

mtv wrote:

mtv wrote:As they say, if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything.

I just hope RAF does some research…..

MTV

It seems some thought my comment was in reference to Whee’s. It wasn’t. It was reference the OP.

MTV

We’ll as the OP, I’m not sure what you’re getting at?

Can you elaborate

I wrote a book, then deleted it.

MTV

Growth…..

mtv wrote:

NineThreeKilo wrote:

mtv wrote:

mtv wrote:As they say, if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything.

I just hope RAF does some research…..

MTV

It seems some thought my comment was in reference to Whee’s. It wasn’t. It was reference the OP.

MTV

We’ll as the OP, I’m not sure what you’re getting at?

Can you elaborate

I wrote a book, then deleted it.

MTV

I asked where I could volunteer and you’re crapping on me? Ok

I wrote a book, then deleted it.

MTV[/quote]


I asked where I could volunteer and you’re crapping on me? Ok[/quote]

I’m sensing a pattern here….

I think they're best friends in real life and just pulling your dick...

On a more serious note, my RAF experience went like this.

When RAF first hit the scene, I thought, heyyy
.. now here's a group with the right stuff...

But then when they showed up in my sand box, the first thing they did was identify places we had been playing at for years as 'not quite legit' and they began down the road to making them 'right'. You did catch the part that we had been playing there for years? No... decades. How was this possible? Because we played low key. Small foot print, mindful of others who might enjoy the areas in other forms of recreation. Then the newly minted AZ bigwheel called to ask for my support because he represented my best interests in what we enjoyed... dude didn't know me from Moses, but somehow he knew my best interests?

The places ultimately got 'legitimately' shut down to introverts like me, because they're RAF playgrounds open to group functions only. So much for my best interests

But you know what...
When I look at the global picture, those places were never mine... and now they are legit ... and that's a good thing. They're not closed to me, they've just changed for me. And changed for the better for others.

Change, and compromise...

Not all bad through the eyes of an adult.

Take care,
Rob

Rob wrote:On a more serious note, my RAF experience went like this.

When RAF first hit the scene, I thought, heyyy
.. now here's a group with the right stuff...

But then when they showed up in my sand box, the first thing they did was identify places we had been playing at for years as 'not quite legit' and they began down the road to making them 'right'. You did catch the part that we had been playing there for years? No... decades. How was this possible? Because we played low key. Small foot print, mindful of others who might enjoy the areas in other forms of recreation. Then the newly minted AZ bigwheel called to ask for my support because he represented my best interests in what we enjoyed... dude didn't know me from Moses, but somehow he knew my best interests?

The places ultimately got 'legitimately' shut down to introverts like me, because they're RAF playgrounds open to group functions only. So much for my best interests

But you know what...
When I look at the global picture, those places were never mine... and now they are legit ... and that's a good thing. They're not closed to me, they've just changed for me. And changed for the better for others.

Change, and compromise...

Not all bad through the eyes of an adult.

Take care,
Rob

Hmm, that wasn't a situation I thought about

So a making a mess while trying to make it better type of situation

Thanks for that post, Rob, and for that point of view. I was so far out on the res that I didn't even know what RAF was, except Royal Air Force. But Navajos had that same point of view about the earth, at least the four corners that defined their world: Mt. Blanco near Alamosa the East edge of the world, Mt. Taylor west of Albuquerque the South edge of the world, San Francisco Peaks by Flagstaff the West edge of the world, and La Plata by Durango the North edge of the world. None could buy land there, just steal it or give it to the railroad (checkerboard.) Not a bad way to live. And their patience has landed them back into the largest and most completely restored reservation in the United States. When Gen. Sherman asked at the Treaty of 1868 at Ft. Sumner, NM, "where do you want to go?, the headmen answered that they didn't want to go to Oklahoma but that they just wanted to go home. "Give it some time."

93k wrote:Hmm, that wasn't a situation I thought about

So a making a mess while trying to make it better type of situation

Just another view point... but ya, the point (s) were

A) you want to do good by GA, and so what if RAF isn't a perfect fit. If it's close run with it. If it's not run with another avenue, the choices are infinite, but your time and resources are likely not.
And
B) while I know absolutely nothing of Whee's viewpoints or interactions with RAF, the fact that they differ from others comes as no surprise.

I am of the opinion that if your horse is a tool you use to seek outdoor escape, peace and tranquility, and you are reasonably cognizant of your surroundings, and you are self sufficient, groups like RAF will have little to offer to you.
On the other hand, if you like big groups, parties, shin digs with contests, hype and hoopla, you will probably benefit greatly by having an organization that does research, over sees, offers damage control,
etc.

Approached that way, you should be able to decide where to invest your time and resources.

Oh and BTW, remind your 'self' that as a CFI, you are already 'doing good'

Take care, Rob

Rob wrote:

93k wrote:Hmm, that wasn't a situation I thought about

So a making a mess while trying to make it better type of situation

Just another view point... but ya, the point (s) were

A) you want to do good by GA, and so what if RAF isn't a perfect fit. If it's close run with it. If it's not run with another avenue, the choices are infinite, but your time and resources are likely not.
And
B) while I know absolutely nothing of Whee's viewpoints or interactions with RAF, the fact that they differ from others comes as no surprise.

I am of the opinion that if your horse is a tool you use to seek outdoor escape, peace and tranquility, and you are reasonably cognizant of your surroundings, and you are self sufficient, groups like RAF will have little to offer to you.
On the other hand, if you like big groups, parties, shin digs with contests, hype and hoopla, you will probably benefit greatly by having an organization that does research, over sees, offers damage control,
etc.

Approached that way, you should be able to decide where to invest your time and resources.

Oh and BTW, remind your 'self' that as a CFI, you are already 'doing good'

Take care, Rob

We’ll said

I do dig a good shindig, figure I’ll join, also be good to meet some locals as in new to the area

Chicken Strip was a success. A Carbon Cub and Jeff Montgomery’s hot rod 180 flew in and said it was the best they’ve ever seen it.

Go get it.