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Refresher on calculating Density Altitude

Do you know the definition of Density Altitude and more importantly how to calculate it? In light of the recent viral video showing what DA can do to you I thought I would take the time to put this together as refresher course on DA. I know most people aren't out there with a chart calculating DA before we take off in the backcountry but if you ever wanted to know what it was this could help you.

DISCLAIMER: I am not a CFI! I am, however, an instructor Flight Engineer with over 5000 hrs and 14 years in Airforce multiengine jets. As an FE one of my primary duties and my bread and butter is performance data so I take it very seriously.

To calculate DA you need your Outside Air Temp and Pressure Altitude. Here's a quick step by step guide to get the numbers you need.

First of all you need an altimeter setting and field elevation to calculate your Pressure Altitude.

Pressure Altitude is defined simply as Altitude corrected for non-standard pressure. At 29.92 (standard pressure) your altimeter will read field elevation. Since it's hardly ever standard we have a chart to correct for that. Remember the old adage high to low look out below? Well here's where that comes from. Set your altimeter to read field elevation. Once you have that reading come to the following chart.

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Let's say for example you are sitting at Johnson Creek and your altimeter reads 30.13 to get the field elevation of 4933 feet. To get your Pressure Altitude go into this chart from the left side at 30.1 and go right until you hit the column that reads .03 on the top as you can see the correction number is -193 feet. This is only a correction NOT YOUR PA!

Subtract 193 from 4933 and you can see your pressure altitude is 4740ft. Looking at the chart you can grasp that anything above 29.92 lowers your PA and anything below that raises your PA. Another general statement is every .1" equals roughly 100ft. So 30.00 to 30.10 lowers your PA by approx 100ft.

Now that you have your PA let's figure out Density Altitude.

Density Altitude is defined out of the Mountain Flying guide as:

Density altitude is a term that sometimes causes confusion to the uninitiated. A high density altitude is NOT a good thing. Density altitude is defined as the pressure altitude corrected for non-standard temperature variations. And while this is a correct definition, my definition is perhaps more appropriate: DENSITY ALTITUDE IS THE ALTITUDE THE AIRPLANE THINKS IT IS AT, AND PERFORMS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS COMPUTED VALUE.

To compute your DA use the following chart

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Start at the bottom of the chart with your temp. I have a cheap digital walmart temp gauge with a sensor stuck to the bottom of my wing in my airplane just for this data.

Go straight up until you hit your Pressure Altitude NOT your Field Elevation.

Read left to get your Density Altitude. As you can see temps upwards of 35 Celsius which is 95F would take the Density Altitude in the before mentioned example at Johnson Creek to over 8000ft. Temps upwards of 90 degrees during the summer months are NOT uncommon in the Idaho backcountry during the heat of the day.

The dotted line from the bottom to the top is the 15 degree line. If you remember from way back during your training 15 degrees is standard temp. 15C is only 59 degrees F folks. Anything over that and your performance is starting to decrease on top of however high you already are.

In case you think this is just a bunch of mumbo jumbo that doesn't apply watch this video again.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=835_1344412426

Hopefully this is clear as mud. Feel free to contact me via PM if you want clarification on anything.
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=D> =D>

Nice work Joey!

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Yeah but, I have a 58 182 with a 470, 230hp. I was told, "as long as I can close the doors, I can fly anywhere". :D :D

No, serious. Great info! Thanks Joey.
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58Skylane wrote:Yeah but, I have a 58 182 with a 470, 230hp. I was told, "as long as I can close the doors, I can fly anywhere". :D :D

No, serious. Great info! Thanks Joey.



Good one 58skylane , I think it's true for your plane.
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as long as I can close the doors, I can fly anywhere
You said that tongue-in-cheek. Unfortunately, there are pilots out there who really seem to think that way: "It's got 4 seats, so it can take 4 people. It's got 75 gallon fuel tanks, so it can carry 75 gallons. It's got a 120# baggage bin, so it can take 120# of baggage. So yeah, we can fill the seats, fill the tanks, and fill the baggage bin and go!" Plus, as the 180 pilot in the old FAA video that Zane published yesterday says at the end, "What's density altitude?"

I appreciate the chart and effort.

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Re: Refresher on calculating Density Altitude

Let's say for example you are sitting at Johnson Creek and your altimeter reads 30.13 to get the field elevation of 4933 feet. To get your Pressure Altitude go into this chart from the left side at 30.1 and go right until you hit the column that reads .03 on the top as you can see the correction number is -193 feet. This is only a correction NOT YOUR PA!

i'm missing a step. why did you use the column with .03?

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Re: Refresher on calculating Density Altitude

OregonMaule wrote:Let's say for example you are sitting at Johnson Creek and your altimeter reads 30.13 to get the field elevation of 4933 feet. To get your Pressure Altitude go into this chart from the left side at 30.1 and go right until you hit the column that reads .03 on the top as you can see the correction number is -193 feet. This is only a correction NOT YOUR PA!

i'm missing a step. why did you use the column with .03?

g'day


Rob it's broke down on the left side as 30.1 and the top is the hundreds spot so replace the 0 in .03 with the 1 and you get 30.13
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Re: Refresher on calculating Density Altitude

This is well written and explained. It was a good refresher for me to go through. I think a lot of pilots haven't taken the time to truely understand DA.

It was several years after I had my private Pilot rating that it finally dawned on me that it doesn't have to be hot day for there to be a DA problem for me and my airplane. In the mountains, any time the air temperature is above freezing, I have a DA problem.
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Nice explanation Joey, thanks for taking the time to put that together.
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Re: Refresher on calculating Density Altitude

Good info. Sparky has a quick rule of thumb for wagging it (see below). I think the misconnect that has to be filled is between being able to figure out DA and what that means for you and your airplane. Lots of performance charts in POHs/AFMs account for nonstandard temperatures and give you the associated "perfect world" performance numbers. Having the real world knowledge of what it means for you and your plane, as well as what you can expect realistically from your plane, is the key. My opinion anyway.

DENSITY ALTITUDE

Density Altitude

Computation

For each 10º F above (or below) standard temperature at an airport’s elevation, add (or subtract) 600 feet to (from) the field’s elevation.

Multiply the field elevation in thousands of feet (e.g. 6,454’ = 6.5, 640’ = 0.64) by 3.5 (lapse rate) and subtract from 59º for standard temperature.
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Re: Refresher on calculating Density Altitude

Cary wrote:Plus, as the 180 pilot in the old FAA video that Zane published yesterday says at the end, "What's density altitude?"


What video was this?
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Never mind. Found it.
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Re: Refresher on calculating Density Altitude

Excellent info, with the exception of this paragraph.

AvidFlyer wrote:The dotted line from the bottom to the top is the 15 degree line. If you remember from way back during your training 15 degrees is standard temp. 15C is only 59 degrees F folks. Anything over that and your performance is starting to decrease on top of however high you already are.


The dotted line is not the "15 degree line", it's the Standard Temperature Line, which varies with altitude. It's only 15 degrees C (59 F) AT SEA LEVEL.

If you're at 5000 ft, the standard temperature is 5 C (41 F).
If you're at 10000 ft, the standard temperature is -4.8C (23 F).
Anything over the Standard Temperature at your altitude and your performance is starting to decrease on top of however high you already are.
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Re: Refresher on calculating Density Altitude

I thought you could set the altimeter to 29.92 and the altimeter would then read pressure altitude.
Is this incorrect?

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Re: Refresher on calculating Density Altitude

You are correct - to get PA set the altimeter to 29.92 and read it off the dial. If you are off-airport and don't know your exact elevation this seems to be a better and simpler way to do it anyway.
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Re: Refresher on calculating Density Altitude

Grassstrippilot wrote:Good info. Sparky has a quick rule of thumb for wagging it (see below). I think the misconnect that has to be filled is between being able to figure out DA and what that means for you and your airplane. Lots of performance charts in POHs/AFMs account for nonstandard temperatures and give you the associated "perfect world" performance numbers. Having the real world knowledge of what it means for you and your plane, as well as what you can expect realistically from your plane, is the key. My opinion anyway.

DENSITY ALTITUDE

Density Altitude

Computation

For each 10º F above (or below) standard temperature at an airport’s elevation, add (or subtract) 600 feet to (from) the field’s elevation.

Multiply the field elevation in thousands of feet (e.g. 6,454’ = 6.5, 640’ = 0.64) by 3.5 (lapse rate) and subtract from 59º for standard temperature.

A quick way is to add 600' for every 10 degrees over 60F. A 90 degree day would be an extra 1800 feet on top of field elevation. All this assumes you know what to do with the red knob too, POH takeoff distance numbers are based on maximum power settings. I'm not sure there is a formula for determining a takeoff distance for a grossed out plane at 9000' DA and full rich.
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Nosedragger wrote:A quick way is to add 600' for every 10 degrees over 60F. A 90 degree day would be an extra 1800 feet on top of field elevation. All this assumes you know what to do with the red knob too, POH takeoff distance numbers are based on maximum power settings. I'm not sure there is a formula for determining a takeoff distance for a grossed out plane at 9000' DA and full rich.



This is only true if you are at sea level--because sea level is the only place where the standard temp is 59 degrees.

As Kevbert pointed out, for every 1,000 feet you go above that, the standard temp decreases by 3.5 degrees--meaning you have to calculate your differential between the decreased standard temp at your elevation and the actual temp. I highlight this point again because, at altitudes like Bruce Meadows (or my home strip at 6,750), your standard temp is somewhere in the mid-30s rather than 60 degrees. :shock:

This means that, on a 90 degree day, you are adding (5.5 x 600) to your altitude (difference between mid-30s standard temp and 90 degrees), rather than (3 x600) (difference between 60 degree sea level standard temp and 90 degrees). This small change in the calculation might make all the difference between being above or below the service ceiling for your plane--as evidenced in the Stinson video.

Here is Kevbert's quote again:

If you're at 5000 ft, the standard temperature is 5 C (41 F).
If you're at 10000 ft, the standard temperature is -4.8C (23 F).
Anything over the Standard Temperature at your altitude and your performance is starting to decrease on top of however high you already are.
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Re: Refresher on calculating Density Altitude

I have seen and read too many rules of thumbs, processes, procedures, and charts with which to arrive at density altitude. Problem is I have only two thumbs, Some may argue I have I have a lot more, but I can still only count two. I learned to respect Density Altitude above everything except bad weather.

When I reworked my 170 I added one of my favorite instruments which is the DAVTRON 665.
Gives me:
Voltage on start up. My rule book says shut it down if =/> 16.3 volts.
Air in C
Air in F
Pressure Altitude
AND
DENSITY ALTITUDE.

The density altitude is one of the first instrument checks I do, especially as soon as air temp = 60.

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Re: Refresher on calculating Density Altitude

The charting and data is excellent. Thanks for the efforts to post.
Now to the real world. A plane made in the 40's may well not perform to published specs.
Almost no one has a scale out at the loading area in the bush.
If you own an old Stinson, Piper etc. go over and ask somebody who has had one for a while...."can I load these four adults in here and go fly?" I am pretty sure somebody in ear shot is gonna say, "pretty hot out this time of day... suggest a cold one and wait." Don't need an engineering degree or charts to figure out the safer decision. It is not rocket science or advanced physics. It is fabric, old air cooled engines and trees that don't bend well.
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Re: Refresher on calculating Density Altitude

Flight Logic I was trying to keep clear of the obvious based on this forum. Thank you for your input!
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