Alpina23 wrote:.... I'm not really concerned that have my field on the chart list as restricted, permission required makes for a tremendous liability increase over not listing and giving chosen people permission to land. I also do not believe that the aviation community is as likely to sue when they screw up as the rest of the world. If I screw up trying to land at your house and bend my plane and hurt myself, that my fault. If I kill myself, my wife knows it's my own fault. ....

It isn't the pilot, it's the wife and the rest of the family. Several years ago, a guy in an RV took off at the Arlington fly-in...with the rear stick tied down. Straight up, then straight down, then burned. His family sued the fly-in....which I believe is why EAA no longer sponsors any fly-ins except Oshkosh.

My bigger concern would be that some bonehead would ball up their airplane on my strip, then the neighbors (or the county authorities) would freak out, feel threatened, and try to get the strip shut down as a hazard. And don't think it can't happen just because you live out in the country. "Non-conforming use" or something else to do with the zoning is what'll get you.

Alpina23 wrote:I also do not believe that the aviation community is as likely to sue when they screw up as the rest of the world. If I screw up trying to land at your house and bend my plane and hurt myself, that my fault. If I kill myself, my wife knows it's my own fault.

That used to be my attitude regarding liability. Then, a very close friend sued the local EAA chapter (over an accident the chapter had nothing to do with); that led to re-evaluating my approach. People will surprise you, especially when an ambulance chaser gets involved.

Jeff-
I recently went through this process with the FAA for La Garita - 5CO6. It took exactly one year from the time of submission to make it's way through the Seattle District Office. https://nfdc.faa.gov/nfdcApps/services/ ... ortId=5CO6

Form and instructions can be downloaded here: http://www.faa.gov/forms/index.cfm/go/d ... tID/185334
Once approved they'll send you another more detailed airfield description page to fill out and complete. If you send me your e-mail I can send you examples of the completed forms.

As a general FYI or if needed: AOPA provides private airfield insurance at very competitive rates. If you go through a normal property insurance company you'll probably get high quotes or denials.

Hope this helps.
Alec

piperpainter wrote:I'm pretty sure aviation is now a recreation activity in WA and it limits your liability as long as your aren't negligent.... I.e. oops I plowed a ditch in the middle of the runway and covered it with leaves!

I think you're right about that. I didn't bring that up because I don't have the facts to support it. But I think was you said is correct. If you overshoot your landing and plow into the trees I think there is reasonable protection from a lawsuit. Once again, I don't have the facts and will not argue this with anyone.

I honestly appreciate that many of you care about me screwing myself on this deal. Thank you. But my original question actually was an attempt to keep from submitting the form from the FAA website to get my field on the sectional, running into big 'ole roadblocks, and then having someone say, "if you had asked we could have told you which form to submit and who's attention to send it to so that wouldn't have happened".
There's a lot of knowledge here and others that have there fields listed on the sectional. I probably didn't state my goal very clearly: I want my field on the VFR sectional. I have no intention of talking to the state or county unless I have to. When I give someone permission to land at my house and they ask where that is, I want to just give them the identifier. That's about it

MTNWEST wrote:Jeff-
I recently went through this process with the FAA for La Garita - 5CO6. It took exactly one year from the time of submission to make it's way through the Seattle District Office. https://nfdc.faa.gov/nfdcApps/services/ ... ortId=5CO6

Form and instructions can be downloaded here: http://www.faa.gov/forms/index.cfm/go/d ... tID/185334
Once approved they'll send you another more detailed airfield description page to fill out and complete. If you send me your e-mail I can send you examples of the completed forms.

As a general FYI or if needed: AOPA provides private airfield insurance at very competitive rates. If you go through a normal property insurance company you'll probably get high quotes or denials.

Hope this helps.
Alec

Thank you, Alec. I appreciate that.
Jeff

The reason I suggested talking to your county planner is that Washington has some screwy zoning rules. I did some really superficial research on them after getting into a silly argument with a formerly regular poster on the AOPA forum, who claimed (in substance) that he could do just about anything he wanted on his property. Well, that's not really true, not in Washington and not really anywhere. Different states have different rules, and some are pretty draconian.

What would be really unpleasant (besides any liability issues, which I really don't want to address here) is if you went to the trouble of getting your strip through the FAA hoop-jumping, only to have the local zoning authorities inform you that you're in violation of some obscure zoning requirement. So best to visit with any agency which might have authority to tell you what you can and cannot do with your land, as it might save you some unpleasantness later.

Cary

Cary wrote:The reason I suggested talking to your county planner is that Washington has some screwy zoning rules. I did some really superficial research on them after getting into a silly argument with a formerly regular poster on the AOPA forum, who claimed (in substance) that he could do just about anything he wanted on his property. Well, that's not really true, not in Washington and not really anywhere. Different states have different rules, and some are pretty draconian.

What would be really unpleasant (besides any liability issues, which I really don't want to address here) is if you went to the trouble of getting your strip through the FAA hoop-jumping, only to have the local zoning authorities inform you that you're in violation of some obscure zoning requirement. So best to visit with any agency which might have authority to tell you what you can and cannot do with your land, as it might save you some unpleasantness later.

Cary

Thanks, Cary. I have some connections at the county. I'll do some under-the-radar asking. My hangar construction begins in a month. It would stink to be shut down after thats built.

Jeff

Actually, my lawyer advised me that if it WAS on the sectional, and displayed as Private or Restricted, that helps protect you. There's always someone that has liability concerns.... I guess I'm not one of them. I've had mine on the sectional since '98.
John

hardtailjohn wrote:Actually, my lawyer advised me that if it WAS on the sectional, and displayed as Private or Restricted, that helps protect you. There's always someone that has liability concerns.... I guess I'm not one of them. I've had mine on the sectional since '98.
John

Thank you, John.