I have the waypoints for all the Restricted areas in that area. The boundries are shown in RED. My (our) route is the GREEN line. C-Ugly watch that "choke point" on your end. Actually it is not a "choke point" as you can fly directly to Belted Peak and on to the Meeting Place. It's all R-4807A. You are good to go. That lower right area is R-4807N. Don't go there. At the lower left is R-4807B. No go there.

I have a real "choke point" on my end (West End) but it is about 15 mi. wide so no problem there.

They're watching you

https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices ... visory.pdf

I noticed that "Mr. Scout" is a real man. Chocks his tank with a rock. Must be some hellatious winds in those parts!

Yeah... Where Floyd hangs his hat men are men, and sheep are nervous.

Gump

GumpAir wrote:Yeah... Where Floyd hangs his hat men are men, and sheep are nervous.

Gump

Floyd has been quiet here. What's he up to?

Yellowbelly wrote:Here's one of those "not an airport" airports in the R 2508 complex:

I wonder which foreign military installation this "not-an-airport" resembles? Something in Afganistan or Iraq maybe?

Here is a copy of the NOTAM for this weekend. I think Nellis Con has been reading this thread. They knew we are coming. We are

!SUAW 11/539 ZLA AIRSPACE R4807A ACT SFC-UNL WEF 1111050201-1111071359

These times and dates are Zulu. The times on the sectional are local.

Here is the info on Airspace Notams: http://tfmlearning.faa.gov/Publications ... t0601.html

6-1-4. RESTRICTED AREAS

a. A NOTAM must be issued to activate a restricted area at other than published times for those charted restricted areas that contain the statement: “BY NOTAM,” “INTERMITTENT BY NOTAM,” or “OTHER TIMES BY NOTAM.” A NOTAM must not be issued to make other changes to the charted dimensions or which would exceed the lower or upper published altitude limits.

So as people said if the restricted area isn't activated it doesn't exist. At least that how I read it.

Glidergeek wrote:They're watching you

https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices ... visory.pdf

Geek: Did you find a NOTAM for the testing at Beatty.

ZAB has three GPS NOTAMS. ZOA has none. ZLA has one from my old stomping grounds. Boles BWS VOR. Looks like Nov 9 and 10

!GPS 11/006 (KZLA A3006/11) ZLA NAV GPS IS UNRELIABLE AND MAY BE UNAVAILABLE WITHIN A RADIUS OF 351NM AND CENTERED AT 325159N/1060806W OR THE LOCATION ALSO KNOWN AS THE /BWS/ VOR 293.8 RADIAL AT 6.7 NM AT FL400 AND ABOVE; DECREASING IN AREA WITH A DECREASE IN ALTITUDE TO A RADIUS OF 300NM AT FL250; A RADIUS OF 250NM AT 10,000FT MSL; A RADIUS OF 221NM AT 4,000FT AGL; AND A RADIUS OF 173NM AT 50FT AGL. 0400-1100 DLY WEF 1111090400-1111101100

Desert Rat wrote:

Glidergeek wrote:They're watching you

https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices ... visory.pdf

Geek: Did you find a NOTAM for the testing at Beatty.

ZAB has three GPS NOTAMS. ZOA has none. ZLA has one from my old stomping grounds. Boles BWS VOR. Looks like Nov 9 and 10

!GPS 11/006 (KZLA A3006/11) ZLA NAV GPS IS UNRELIABLE AND MAY BE UNAVAILABLE WITHIN A RADIUS OF 351NM AND CENTERED AT 325159N/1060806W OR THE LOCATION ALSO KNOWN AS THE /BWS/ VOR 293.8 RADIAL AT 6.7 NM AT FL400 AND ABOVE; DECREASING IN AREA WITH A DECREASE IN ALTITUDE TO A RADIUS OF 300NM AT FL250; A RADIUS OF 250NM AT 10,000FT MSL; A RADIUS OF 221NM AT 4,000FT AGL; AND A RADIUS OF 173NM AT 50FT AGL. 0400-1100 DLY WEF 1111090400-1111101100

No didn't find a NOTAM somehow I got subscribed to this FAA hate mail and get these emails frequently.

Desert Rat wrote:Here is a copy of the NOTAM for this weekend. I think Nellis Con has been reading this thread. They knew we are coming. We are

Well was it a successful crossing or did the black helicopters get you?

fern_hopper wrote:

Desert Rat wrote:Here is a copy of the NOTAM for this weekend. I think Nellis Con has been reading this thread. They knew we are coming. We are

Well was it a successful crossing or did the black helicopters get you?

Notice: The posters Desert Rat and Coyote Ugly do not exist. They never existed. The are a figment of the collective imagination of a lunatic fringe. Please disregard all reference to

Emory Bored wrote:

fern_hopper wrote:

Desert Rat wrote:Here is a copy of the NOTAM for this weekend. I think Nellis Con has been reading this thread. They knew we are coming. We are

Well was it a successful crossing or did the black helicopters get you?

Notice: The posters Desert Rat and Coyote Ugly do not exist. They never existed. The are a figment of the collective imagination of a lunatic fringe. Please disregard all reference to

Hey this from a guy who uses a picture of MY dog as an avatar. This means war...

fern_hopper wrote:

Desert Rat wrote:Here is a copy of the NOTAM for this weekend. I think Nellis Con has been reading this thread. They knew we are coming. We are

Well was it a successful crossing or did the black helicopters get you?

I ain't going unless there is no NOTAM. I want to have that much going for me anyway. We will see how next weekend looks.

Desert Rat wrote:

Emory Bored wrote:

fern_hopper wrote: Notice: The posters Desert Rat and Coyote Ugly do not exist. They never existed. The are a figment of the collective imagination of a lunatic fringe. Please disregard all reference to

Hey this from a guy who uses a picture of MY dog as an avatar. This means war...

Ain't she a beaut? We're picking her up Wednesday morning in Las Vegas and bringing her back to her new forever home. She's a desert rat for sure.

We now return you to your regular programming

Plus they have a TFR (1-9717) over by Alamo Nv to recover the F-15 that crashed on Oct 24 (pilot ejected) and in addition to R-4807a R-4806E, which is just South of the crash site, was also closed this weekend.

!SUAW 11/651 ZLA AIRSPACE R4806E ACT 100FT-UNL WEF 1111060301-1111071259 100ft-UNL 100'

I have it on good authority (from experts at Rachel Nv.http://www.rachel-nevada.com/) that there may have been a UFO involved and they ain't looking for just parts from an F-15.

[/quote]Ain't she a beaut? We're picking her up Wednesday morning in Las Vegas and bringing her back to her new forever home. She's a desert rat for sure.

We now return you to your regular programming[/quote]

I'll tell you one thing. That is going to be a great dog. I call mine Goose.

Desert Rat wrote:I'll tell you one thing. That is going to be a great dog. I call mine Goose.

This is our second Dobie. The first one lived almost 15 years, and was called Rosie. We got her as a pup. This one is going to be named Lucy. 4 y/o we think. She comes from Doberman Rescue of Nevada.

R4807A made the news again.

!SUAW 11/173 ZLA AIRSPACE R4807A ACT SFC-UNL WEF 1111100301-1111101359


0301 Z to 1359 Z on 11/10. That's tonight (Wednesday) 7PM to 6AM. They usually do this but it seems redundant as the area is closed anyway. Maybe the NOTAM isn't for us.

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Emory Bored wrote:

Desert Rat wrote:I'll tell you one thing. That is going to be a great dog. I call mine Goose.

This is our second Dobie. The first one lived almost 15 years, and was called Rosie. We got her as a pup. This one is going to be named Lucy. 4 y/o we think. She comes from Doberman Rescue of Nevada.

This is Lucy, I hope your Lucy is as enjoyable as ours

I thought Sunday the 13th would be a good day but they got the usual NOTAM in at the last min. I am going to write Buck McKeon and see if he can be any help in finding why this area is always closed. I am sure the intent was to make it available on Sat and Sun unless they needed it. If it is to be always closed they should change the time of use to continuous.

!SUAW 11/352 ZLA AIRSPACE R4807A ACT SFC-UNL WEF 1111120301-1111141359