As many who attended Airventure know, Robert Odegaard of Kindred, ND flew a Shrike Commander at Oshkosh as part of the EAA "Tribute to Bob Hoover" on Tuesday of the airshow. Robert is a consummate pilot, but he didn't fly the full Hoover routine at OSH. He forwarded a message last night, with a link to a video. The text of his message was to the effect that he gave himself a birthday gift at the recent Fargo ND airshow--he flew the both engines shut down routine that Bob Hoover made famous...
Here's a link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o50A_nTa7b4
Pretty impressive flying to say the least, and beautiful video.
MTV
Robert Odegaard's "Tribute to Bob Hoover"
Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:02 pm
Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:44 pm
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:28 pm
Re: Robert Odegaard's "Tribute to Bob Hoover"
I suspect the aerobatic judges would give him about a C+. Just not that impressed, sorry.
I watched Bob Hoover complete his routine more than once as a young pilot. (me, not him) It was impressive.
This was a pretty amatuerish video... with a couple of sloppy rolls and a loop.
Just one jaded pilot's opinion.....
I watched Bob Hoover complete his routine more than once as a young pilot. (me, not him) It was impressive.
This was a pretty amatuerish video... with a couple of sloppy rolls and a loop.
Just one jaded pilot's opinion.....
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:55 pm
Re: Robert Odegaard's "Tribute to Bob Hoover"
I saw the routine on Saturday in Fargo, and thought it was very cool. It was a tribute, not a judged competition.
Flightlogic, what is the point of your insults? Could you post a video of yourself doing the routine so we can judge you?
Flightlogic, what is the point of your insults? Could you post a video of yourself doing the routine so we can judge you?
Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:16 pm
Re: Robert Odegaard's "Tribute to Bob Hoover"
Great demonstration of Hoover's "Converting Altitude to Airspeed" and then groundspeed. To perform those maneuvers power off is pretty cool. I liked how he had enough reserve energy to taxi up to a designated position. MTV, thanks for posting!
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:52 pm
Re: Robert Odegaard's "Tribute to Bob Hoover"
flightlogic wrote:I suspect the aerobatic judges would give him about a C+. Just not that impressed, sorry.
I watched Bob Hoover complete his routine more than once as a young pilot. (me, not him) It was impressive.
This was a pretty amatuerish video... with a couple of sloppy rolls and a loop.
Just one jaded pilot's opinion.....
It's a Shrike Commander, not a Staudacher. Robert has held off for some time before doing the full both engine out routine at an airshow, because it's not easy and he's the first to admit it.
Please post your version ASAP, please so we can see how a REAL pro does it.
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:07 pm
Re: Robert Odegaard's "Tribute to Bob Hoover"
Cool. Didn't look sloppy to me. With that camera on the tail, one inch off center makes it seem like a big movement.
Here's Bob's version:
Here's Bob's version:
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:07 pm
Re: Robert Odegaard's "Tribute to Bob Hoover"
MTV.......I think his point might be that BOB HOOVER is the REAL pro........ and also by implication (agreeing) that it IS very difficult to do well.
Anyhow, that was how I read it.....
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Anyhow, that was how I read it.....
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:27 pm
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No insult meant to the recreater of the event. I really just meant the real thing was just that... real. A recreation is about the current performer... and their ego.
Been around a few air show performers in my time.
Many tasteful tributes have been offered to Hoover over the years. Trying to emulate him in the sky is just not the way to do it, in my opinion. To suggest that I video myself doing this is rather juvenile. That is actually my point. Bob Hoover mastered something and did it year after year after year. The FAA stabbed him in the back. Then, after winning that long battle... it was the insurance people that did him in. For anyone to suggest that we watch them perform an engine out loop or roll or such, and honor Hoover is grandstanding for their own benefit and using his name to do it. I won't get into a protracted battle online here. Just gave an honest opinion. Maybe it wasn't the mainstream thinking, but this is America after all. Have a great week gents.... and fly safely out there.
Been around a few air show performers in my time.
Many tasteful tributes have been offered to Hoover over the years. Trying to emulate him in the sky is just not the way to do it, in my opinion. To suggest that I video myself doing this is rather juvenile. That is actually my point. Bob Hoover mastered something and did it year after year after year. The FAA stabbed him in the back. Then, after winning that long battle... it was the insurance people that did him in. For anyone to suggest that we watch them perform an engine out loop or roll or such, and honor Hoover is grandstanding for their own benefit and using his name to do it. I won't get into a protracted battle online here. Just gave an honest opinion. Maybe it wasn't the mainstream thinking, but this is America after all. Have a great week gents.... and fly safely out there.
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:34 pm
Re: Robert Odegaard's "Tribute to Bob Hoover"
You obviously don't know much about Bob Odegaard. The last thing he would do is be grandstanding. His record and accomplishments far outshine any grandstanding that he could do.
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Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:13 am
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I beg to differ. What follows is MY opinion based on things I've heard from people whose credibility was strong with ME only.
My understanding is that the FAA did not stab Hoover in the back. In fact, some old school good old boy in the FAA likely tried to give Mr. Hoover a clean way to get out of a nasty situation and save face.
There was an incident (which I will not elaborate on here, out of respect to everyone involved) that happened. It s my understanding that the FAA definitely had some cause to want to ground Mr. Hoover. But someone high up in the FAA apparently sent word down to the enforcement division to publicly state that the reason for the emergency revocation of Bob's medical was for reason Y instead of (the actual) reason X, simply because that high-up good old boy in the FAA did not want to see Mr. Hoover's reputation tarnished.
Now if Bob Hoover, or his attorney Rudolph the Red Nosed Bailey, wants to show up here and set the record straight and address some of these rumors/stories/word-on-the-street directly, I hope they will do so. And if I owe one of my childhood aviation heroes an apology for keeping an incorrect and inaccurate story going, then I will apologize directly to Mr. Hoover publicly here.
My understanding is that the FAA did not stab Hoover in the back. In fact, some old school good old boy in the FAA likely tried to give Mr. Hoover a clean way to get out of a nasty situation and save face.
There was an incident (which I will not elaborate on here, out of respect to everyone involved) that happened. It s my understanding that the FAA definitely had some cause to want to ground Mr. Hoover. But someone high up in the FAA apparently sent word down to the enforcement division to publicly state that the reason for the emergency revocation of Bob's medical was for reason Y instead of (the actual) reason X, simply because that high-up good old boy in the FAA did not want to see Mr. Hoover's reputation tarnished.
Now if Bob Hoover, or his attorney Rudolph the Red Nosed Bailey, wants to show up here and set the record straight and address some of these rumors/stories/word-on-the-street directly, I hope they will do so. And if I owe one of my childhood aviation heroes an apology for keeping an incorrect and inaccurate story going, then I will apologize directly to Mr. Hoover publicly here.
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Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:13 am
Re: Robert Odegaard's "Tribute to Bob Hoover"
I'm impressed.
Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:28 am
Re: Robert Odegaard's "Tribute to Bob Hoover"
Flightlogic,
As noted, Robert Odegaard doesn't need to grandstand or to stroke his ego. He's been there, and done that. The Shrike demo was requested of him by EAA for Airventure, for their tribute to Bob Hoover. Robert took it as a challenge, and approached it very professionally, as he does everything in aviation.
Robert has done airshows in past, but rarely does so these days. He's also raced at Reno, and again, doesn't do so these days. Mostly, he restores and rebuilds warbirds these days, and his shop is a fantastic place.
I've heard all sorts of stories of just how much of a gentleman Bob Hoover is, though I've never met the man. I have met Robert Odegaard, and he is every bit the gentleman as well, and very self effacing.
No grandstanding here.
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As noted, Robert Odegaard doesn't need to grandstand or to stroke his ego. He's been there, and done that. The Shrike demo was requested of him by EAA for Airventure, for their tribute to Bob Hoover. Robert took it as a challenge, and approached it very professionally, as he does everything in aviation.
Robert has done airshows in past, but rarely does so these days. He's also raced at Reno, and again, doesn't do so these days. Mostly, he restores and rebuilds warbirds these days, and his shop is a fantastic place.
I've heard all sorts of stories of just how much of a gentleman Bob Hoover is, though I've never met the man. I have met Robert Odegaard, and he is every bit the gentleman as well, and very self effacing.
No grandstanding here.
MTV
Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:50 am
Re: Robert Odegaard's "Tribute to Bob Hoover"
Odegaard is the last person who would do any grandstanding, he is as nice as people come. I would be willing to guess that he isn't the one that came up with the idea of flying the tribute himself.
I know it seems odd in todays day and age, but some people post videos for the enjoyment of others, not their own benefit.
I know it seems odd in todays day and age, but some people post videos for the enjoyment of others, not their own benefit.
Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:25 am
Re: Robert Odegaard's "Tribute to Bob Hoover"
mtv wrote:As many who attended Airventure know, Robert Odegaard of Kindred, ND flew a Shrike Commander at Oshkosh as part of the EAA "Tribute to Bob Hoover" on Tuesday of the airshow. Robert is a consummate pilot, but he didn't fly the full Hoover routine at OSH. He forwarded a message last night, with a link to a video. The text of his message was to the effect that he gave himself a birthday gift at the recent Fargo ND airshow--he flew the both engines shut down routine that Bob Hoover made famous...
Here's a link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o50A_nTa7b4
Pretty impressive flying to say the least, and beautiful video.
MTV
Very cool video - few things water the eyes in flying like truly good energy management, whoever's at the controls.
I met Mr Hoover at Osh this year and he was an absolute gentlemen, one of the nicest guys I've met in aviation and that's saying something. It's one thing to smile and shake hands but he seemed sincere to the core.
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Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:52 am
Re: Robert Odegaard's "Tribute to Bob Hoover"
My wife and I used to help run the airshow at Kelso Longview Washington. 3 years. Maybe 4. We folded. Only covered expenses one year. I was the airboss and ran the pilot briefings and was personally responsible for the airspace. I've known many airshow performers. Some great some pretty good.
ALL airshow performers are grandstanding. Why in the heck show up if you don't want any one to watch?
I saw Hoover a few times in my mis spent youth. He was terrific but in those days I had no idea what I was watching. Perhaps we have differing memories and different responses to various performers. I would rather watch Tucker than Wagstaff. I like Pitts'. Wagstaff is maybe a more precise performance but Tucker is about something brute and angry.
Different strokes for different folks. I couldn't fly ANY of those routines. Nor judge them other than by subjective standards.
ALL airshow performers are grandstanding. Why in the heck show up if you don't want any one to watch?
I saw Hoover a few times in my mis spent youth. He was terrific but in those days I had no idea what I was watching. Perhaps we have differing memories and different responses to various performers. I would rather watch Tucker than Wagstaff. I like Pitts'. Wagstaff is maybe a more precise performance but Tucker is about something brute and angry.
Different strokes for different folks. I couldn't fly ANY of those routines. Nor judge them other than by subjective standards.
Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:47 am
Re: Robert Odegaard's "Tribute to Bob Hoover"
First, apologies for the thread creep. Second, I am going to take in good faith, the character references offered up on Odegaard's behalf. He sounds like an accomplished performer.
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Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:53 am
Re: Robert Odegaard's "Tribute to Bob Hoover"
For those who don't know Robert Odegaard, one of his passions in life is to help children achieve their dreams of flying airplanes. Robert's DC-3 "Duggy" is the focal point of this effort. Here's a link to the Duggy website. Scroll down and read a bit about Mr. Odegaard.
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Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:55 am
Re: Robert Odegaard's "Tribute to Bob Hoover"
flightlogic wrote:First, apologies for the thread creep. Second, I am going to take in good faith, the character references offered up on Odegaard's behalf. He sounds like an accomplished performer with much experience.
Now the creep: I am curious how other members feel about the "insider Hollywood knowledge" offered up here about the FAA's behavior. Let's say for example I am caught forgetting to remove control locks and bugger up a plane. Or, I fly too close to the crowd at a fly in. I pull out of my loop too low and have to change my shorts before facing the FSDO pencil pushing government pension protecting guy that is looking out for MY Safety. Right !?!?! Or, I just forget to zip my fly before taking a bow to the crowd.
Would I feel like the FAA did me a favor if they permanently revoked my license to fly, and told the world that the reason was mental incompetence? Just trying to get my head around that logic.
I suspect many of us would rather face the music for a specific transgression, however serious... as an alternative to being announced mentally incompetent.
It has been many many years since Bob Hoover lost the fight. When I last had lunch with him at Van Nuys a few months ago... he still was not showing much in the way of mental incompetence.
As to the referenced "Hollywood" comment, simply consider the source.
MTV
Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:26 am
Re: Robert Odegaard's "Tribute to Bob Hoover"
mtv wrote:flightlogic wrote:I am curious how other members feel about the "insider Hollywood knowledge" offered up here about the FAA's behavior.
As to the referenced "Hollywood" comment, simply consider the source.
MTV
What's any of this got to do with Hollywood?
What makes any of you think Bob Hoover is any more perfect or incapable of error than any of the rest of us ?
What makes any of you think the FAA is guaranteed to be wrong every time ?
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