jrc111 wrote:I really enjoyed getting my PP add-on, the R22’s rotor inertia, not so much. One potatoe two and you’re out of collective. The Bell 47 you get about an 8 count; much slower no wind full auto’s to ground and hovering auto’s are practically effortless. My favorite was platform landings in 30 knot winds. Have fun!

gbflyer wrote:Officially jealous Ted. [emoji1]

gbflyer wrote:Oh we’ll make room even if it means a wall bump out!!!!

(c)For a helicopter rating. Except as provided in paragraph (k) of this section, a person who applies for a private pilot certificate with rotorcraft category and helicopter class rating must log at least 40 hours of flight time that includes at least 20 hours of flight training from an authorized instructor and 10 hours of solo flight training in the areas of operation listed in § 61.107(b)(3) of this part, and the training must include at least -
(1) 3 hours of cross-country flight training in a helicopter;
(2) Except as provided in § 61.110 of this part, 3 hours of night flight training in a helicopter that includes -
(i) One cross-country flight of over 50 nautical miles total distance; and
(ii) 10 takeoffs and 10 landings to a full stop (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern) at an airport.
(3) 3 hours of flight training with an authorized instructor in a helicopter in preparation for the practical test, which must have been performed within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test; and
(4) 10 hours of solo flight time in a helicopter, consisting of at least -
(i) 3 hours cross-country time;
(ii) One solo cross country flight of 100 nautical miles total distance, with landings at three points, and one segment of the flight being a straight-line distance of more than 25 nautical miles between the takeoff and landing locations; and
(iii) Three takeoffs and three landings to a full stop (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern) at an airport with an operating control tower.

Special Federal Aviation Regulation No. 73 - Robinson R-22/R-44 Special Training and Experience Requirements
Sections
1. Applicability.

2. Required training, aeronautical experience, endorsements, and flight review.

3. Expiration date.

1. Applicability. Under the procedures prescribed herein, this SFAR applies to all persons who seek to manipulate the controls or act as pilot in command of a Robinson model R-22 or R-44 helicopter. The requirements stated in this SFAR are in addition to the current requirements of part 61.

2. Required training, aeronautical experience, endorsements, and flight review.

(a) Awareness Training:

(1) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(2) of this section, no person may manipulate the controls of a Robinson model R-22 or R-44 helicopter after March 27, 1995, for the purpose of flight unless the awareness training specified in paragraph (a)(3) of this section is completed and the person's logbook has been endorsed by a certified flight instructor authorized under paragraph (b)(5) of this section.

(2) A person who holds a rotorcraft category and helicopter class rating on that person's pilot certificate and meets the experience requirements of paragraph (b)(1) or paragraph (b)(2) of this section may not manipulate the controls of a Robinson model R-22 or R-44 helicopter for the purpose of flight after April 26, 1995, unless the awareness training specified in paragraph (a)(3) of this section is completed and the person's logbook has been endorsed by a certified flight instructor authorized under paragraph (b)(5) of this section.

(3) Awareness training must be conducted by a certified flight instructor who has been endorsed under paragraph (b)(5) of this section and consists of instruction in the following general subject areas:

(i) Energy management;

(ii) Mast bumping;

(iii) Low rotor RPM (blade stall);

(iv) Low G hazards; and

(v) Rotor RPM decay.

(4) A person who can show satisfactory completion of the manufacturer's safety course after January 1, 1994, may obtain an endorsement from an FAA aviation safety inspector in lieu of completing the awareness training required in paragraphs (a)(1) and (a)(2) of this section.

(b) Aeronautical Experience:

(1) No person may act as pilot in command of a Robinson model R-22 unless that person:

(i) Has had at least 200 flight hours in helicopters, at least 50 flight hours of which were in the Robinson R-22; or

(ii) Has had at least 10 hours dual instruction in the Robinson R-22 and has received an endorsement from a certified flight instructor authorized under paragraph (b)(5) of this section that the individual has been given the training required by this paragraph and is proficient to act as pilot in command of an R-22. Beginning 12 calendar months after the date of the endorsement, the individual may not act as pilot in command unless the individual has completed a flight review in an R-22 within the preceding 12 calendar months and obtained an endorsement for that flight review. The dual instruction must include at least the following abnormal and emergency procedures flight training:

(A) Enhanced training in autorotation procedures,

(B) Engine rotor RPM control without the use of the governor,

(C) Low rotor RPM recognition and recovery, and

(D) Effects of low G maneuvers and proper recovery procedures.

(2) No person may act as pilot in command of a Robinson R-44 unless that person -

(i) Has had at least 200 flight hours in helicopters, at least 50 flight hours of which were in the Robinson R-44. The pilot in command may credit up to 25 flight hours in the Robinson R-22 toward the 50 hour requirement in the Robinson R-44; or

(ii) Has had at least 10 hours dual instruction in a Robinson helicopter, at least 5 hours of which must have been accomplished in the Robinson R-44 helicopter and has received an endorsement from a certified flight instructor authorized under paragraph (b)(5) of this section that the individual has been given the training required by this paragraph and is proficient to act as pilot in command of an R-44. Beginning 12 calendar months after the date of the endorsement, the individual may not act as pilot in command unless the individual has completed a flight review in a Robinson R-44 within the preceding 12 calendar months and obtained an endorsement for that flight review. The dual instruction must include at least the following abnormal and emergency procedures flight training -

(A) Enhanced training in autorotation procedures;

(B) Engine rotor RPM control without the use of the governor;

(C) Low rotor RPM recognition and recovery; and

(D) Effects of low G maneuvers and proper recovery procedures.

(3) A person who does not hold a rotorcraft category and helicopter class rating must have had at least 20 hours of dual instruction in a Robinson R-22 helicopter prior to operating it in solo flight. In addition, the person must obtain an endorsement from a certified flight instructor authorized under paragraph (b)(5) of this section that instruction has been given in those maneuvers and procedures, and the instructor has found the applicant proficient to solo a Robinson R-22. This endorsement is valid for a period of 90 days. The dual instruction must include at least the following abnormal and emergency procedures flight training:

(i) Enhanced training in autorotation procedures,

(ii) Engine rotor RPM control without the use of the governor,

(iii) Low rotor RPM recognition and recovery, and

(iv) Effects of low G maneuvers and proper recovery procedures.

(4) A person who does not hold a rotorcraft category and helicopter class rating must have had at least 20 hours of dual instruction in a Robinson R-44 helicopter prior to operating it in solo flight. In addition, the person must obtain an endorsement from a certified flight instructor authorized under paragraph (b)(5) of this section that instruction has been given in those maneuvers and procedures, and the instructor has found the applicant proficient to solo a Robinson R-44. This endorsement is valid for a period of 90 days. The dual instruction must include at least the following abnormal and emergency procedures flight training:

(i) Enhanced training in autorotation procedures,

(ii) Engine rotor RPM control without the use of the governor,

(iii) Low rotor RPM recognition and recovery, and

(iv) Effects of low G maneuvers and proper recovery procedures.

(5) No certificated flight instructor may provide instruction or conduct a flight review in a Robinson R-22 or R-44 unless that instructor -

(i) Completes the awareness training in paragraph 2(a) of this SFAR.

(ii) For the Robinson R-22, has had at least 200 flight hours in helicopters, at least 50 flight hours of which were in the Robinson R-22, or for the Robinson R-44, has had at least 200 flight hours in helicopters, 50 flight hours of which were in Robinson helicopters. Up to 25 flight hours of Robinson R-22 flight time may be credited toward the 50 hour requirement.

(iii) Has completed flight training in a Robinson R-22, R-44, or both, on the following abnormal and emergency procedures -

(A) Enhanced training in autorotation procedures;

(B) Engine rotor RPM control without the use of the governor;

(C) Low rotor RPM recognition and recovery; and

(D) Effects of low G maneuvers and proper recovery procedures.

(iv) Has been authorized by endorsement from an FAA aviation safety inspector or authorized designated examiner that the instructor has completed the appropriate training, meets the experience requirements and has satisfactorily demonstrated an ability to provide instruction on the general subject areas of paragraph 2(a)(3) of this SFAR, and the flight training identified in paragraph 2(b)(5)(iii) of this SFAR.

(c) Flight Review:

(1) No flight review completed to satisfy § 61.56 by an individual after becoming eligible to function as pilot in command in a Robinson R-22 helicopter shall be valid for the operation of R-22 helicopter unless that flight review was taken in an R-22.

(2) No flight review completed to satisfy § 61.56 by individual after becoming eligible to function as pilot in command in a Robinson R-44 helicopter shall be valid for the operation of R-44 helicopter unless that flight review was taken in the R-44.

(3) The flight review will include a review of the awareness training subject areas of paragraph 2(a)(3) of this SFAR and the flight training identified in paragraph 2(b) of this SFAR.

(d) Currency Requirements: No person may act as pilot in command of a Robinson model R-22 or R-44 helicopter carrying passengers unless the pilot in command has met the recency of flight experience requirements of § 61.57 in an R-22 or R-44, as appropriate.

Zzz wrote:The content of this thread is way better than the title.

Quite jealous.

contactflying wrote:At what altitude do you pull initial pitch and how low do you flair? The TH-55 Autorotation: (Houghs 269) didn't have the inertia of Hillers and Bells so we pulled initial at 25' instead of 100' and flair at 10'. Quick level to wheel land at late second.

Cary wrote:10 or 11 years ago while my airplane was in the shop for its annual, I took a real first helicopter lesson, not an intro lesson, with a local helicopter flight school. At the time, they had Schweizers; now they have those plus an R44. Anyhow, I was able to hover unassisted, although it wasn't pretty, and otherwise mostly just flew around, doing whatever the instructor told me to do. He was a fabulous instructor--did SAR work with the Sheriff's office and rotorcraft instruction on the side.

I enjoyed the hour (it was flying, after all), but it didn't attract me like some other things I've done in aviation. Certainly wasn't as enjoyable as my first seaplane lesson in BC, which hooked me enough that a couple years later, I earned my SES in Seattle. So I decided then that I'd remain the best small fixed wing pilot I could be as long as I can do it, but I leave it to others to get their rotorcraft ratings.

But glad you're having fun--that's what flying is all about, after all, right?

Cary

Cary wrote:10 or 11 years ago while my airplane was in the shop for its annual, I took a real first helicopter lesson, not an intro lesson, with a local helicopter flight school. At the time, they had Schweizers; now they have those plus an R44. Anyhow, I was able to hover unassisted, although it wasn't pretty, and otherwise mostly just flew around, doing whatever the instructor told me to do. He was a fabulous instructor--did SAR work with the Sheriff's office and rotorcraft instruction on the side.

I enjoyed the hour (it was flying, after all), but it didn't attract me like some other things I've done in aviation. Certainly wasn't as enjoyable as my first seaplane lesson in BC, which hooked me enough that a couple years later, I earned my SES in Seattle. So I decided then that I'd remain the best small fixed wing pilot I could be as long as I can do it, but I leave it to others to get their rotorcraft ratings.

But glad you're having fun--that's what flying is all about, after all, right?

Cary

G44 wrote:Oh you poor soul, the helicopter addiction is strong and real! I have been to helicopter rehab and if you still have any money in your pocket it is a tough addiction to break!

If you run out of money it kinda takes care of the addiction itself.

I owned a R-22 and Bell 47 and its fun reading about your helicopter training, it brings back fond memories.

Have fun and keep the excellent posts coming....

Kurt

8GCBC wrote:

G44 wrote:Oh you poor soul, the helicopter addiction is strong and real! I have been to helicopter rehab and if you still have any money in your pocket it is a tough addiction to break!

If you run out of money it kinda takes care of the addiction itself.

I owned a R-22 and Bell 47 and its fun reading about your helicopter training, it brings back fond memories.

Have fun and keep the excellent posts coming....

Kurt

Kurt,

Thank you for the kind words. Although, we have never met personally I really enjoy your company on this site! Very pleased you are onboard!

Yes, the addiction keeps me up at night rolling around in bed waiting for dawn and a new helo lesson! It’s heavy and real.

Been very lucky to have the opportunity to be with great folks here at Torrance! And very lucky to have met people online who have like minded ambition.