mtv wrote:

NineThreeKilo wrote:

contactflying wrote:If the engine makers and insurance would cooperate, we could go back to from the pump gas. The vapor lock problem could be solved by putting the summer additive in all year around. Political, yes. The job of politicians is to make those kinds of deals. There should be some economy in all using the same gas.

Anyway that is what worked for me as long as I owned airplanes. With low wing, I kept the boost pump on.

I thought the vapor lock was due to ethanol

Also thought even w/o ethanol pump 91 wouldn’t jive with FI big bore?

You can readily buy 91 octane auto fuel that contains no ethanol. At least three stations that sell it here in Bozeman. The problem with ethanol in aircraft is that some components in aircraft don’t deal well with ethanol.

But, the REAL problem with leaded gasolines, as I see it is this:

There is precisely ONE facility in the WORLD that refines and produces tetra ethyl lead, which is used in 100 LL. One facility. And, that facility is located not in the US, but in Britain. So, we little airplane owners have a huge stake at present in keeping that facility open.

But, what happens when some group of loonies in Britain decide to shut that abomination of a plant down, to eliminate this horrible pollutant from our/their atmosphere? Simple answer: The end of 100 LL avgas. Period.

And we have no control/influence whatever over that facility.

THAT’S why we need an alternative to 100 LL. If you have been watching what happens in the world these days, it’s not much of a stretch to consider. And there are and will never be another facility to produce the stuff.

MTV

NineThreeKilo wrote:

contactflying wrote:If the engine makers and insurance would cooperate, we could go back to from the pump gas. The vapor lock problem could be solved by putting the summer additive in all year around. Political, yes. The job of politicians is to make those kinds of deals. There should be some economy in all using the same gas.

Anyway that is what worked for me as long as I owned airplanes. With low wing, I kept the boost pump on.

I thought the vapor lock was due to ethanol

Also thought even w/o ethanol pump 91 wouldn’t jive with FI big bore?

Ardent wrote:The sooner we eliminate lead, the better, even if it comes with short term pain. Said as the owner of a fresh and costly zero timed 520.

Tetraethyl lead is as bad as they say. There’s likely not as much of it settling around airports as they say, but there is no question it does nothing good for our health and the surrounding environment. It also isn’t as hard to eliminate as many in GA circles try and make it sound.

Ardent wrote:Lead is the source of my biggest misgiving about GA flying

I’ll be the first lined up to pay more for unleaded gas.

C180_guy wrote:

Ardent wrote:The sooner we eliminate lead, the better, even if it comes with short term pain. Said as the owner of a fresh and costly zero timed 520.

Tetraethyl lead is as bad as they say. There’s likely not as much of it settling around airports as they say, but there is no question it does nothing good for our health and the surrounding environment. It also isn’t as hard to eliminate as many in GA circles try and make it sound.

Except test reports of lead from old white rich guys' toys from places like KRHV are bogus.

Ardent wrote:Lead is the source of my biggest misgiving about GA flying

Maybe you picked the wrong hobby? I am sure there are less stressful activities you could take up like scrap-booking.

I’ll be the first lined up to pay more for unleaded gas.

F that

mtv wrote:

C180_guy wrote:

Ardent wrote:The sooner we eliminate lead, the better, even if it comes with short term pain. Said as the owner of a fresh and costly zero timed 520.

Tetraethyl lead is as bad as they say. There’s likely not as much of it settling around airports as they say, but there is no question it does nothing good for our health and the surrounding environment. It also isn’t as hard to eliminate as many in GA circles try and make it sound.

Except test reports of lead from old white rich guys' toys from places like KRHV are bogus.

Ardent wrote:Lead is the source of my biggest misgiving about GA flying

Maybe you picked the wrong hobby? I am sure there are less stressful activities you could take up like scrap-booking.

I’ll be the first lined up to pay more for unleaded gas.

F that

About the only thing I really don’t like about this web forum is the propensity for some regulars to insist on getting insulting.

If you can’t act like a civil adult in a conversation, maybe it’s you who should take up scrapbooking.

Good grief!

MTV

Ardent wrote:I’m sure without the refraction of the internet C180 is a great guy, this format of discussion through little typing portals unfortunately just does strange things.

Ardent wrote:I’m sure without the refraction of the internet C180 is a great guy, this format of discussion through little typing portals unfortunately just does strange things.

There’s also the unfortunate view many take on change, that it is always for the worse. Much is for the better, but that always get less press just as how word of a good haircut spreads far less than of a bad one.

Removing lead from fuel is one of the good ones and will expand the future of our favoured pursuit rather than limit it.

NineThreeKilo wrote:Just like all the enviro extremists it’s all another YOU paying more because…uh…reasons..that’ll save the what the fuck ever du jour


GTFO